KVR Audio

beely · Post by **beely** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:57 pm

wagtunes wrote:Actually, I'm being told I can't. A legally acquired copy of the software cannot be bought or sold because the company controlling the licensing transfer has taken that ability off their site. So if you have the software right now, you're stuck with it.

Sorry, but IMO, that is beyond crazy.

Not necessarily - it's entirely possible stores have boxed copy inventory (or downloads+serials) which is already paid for, that they could probably sell - as long as they reasonably explained the lack of support to the intended purchaser and they knew what they were getting into.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:57 pm

wasi wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
wagtunes wrote: Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Copyrights, if not renewed, do not last forever. Eventually unrenewed copyrights go into the public domain. So eventually, if CA does not renew the copyright (and I see no reason why they would if they're closing their doors) Alchemy WILL go into the public domain..
Correct, you may redistribute Alchemy at least 70 years from now.
Beat me to it, lol. 70 years after the death of the author.

Until then, you may however buy or sell a legally acquired copy of the software.

Doesn't it still have customer specific data embedded? I can't remember what changed in 1.5 anymore, but it used to display unique customer name and address used to purchase the plugin.

beely · Post by **beely** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:58 pm

Yes it does.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:58 pm

beely wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Actually, I'm being told I can't. A legally acquired copy of the software cannot be bought or sold because the company controlling the licensing transfer has taken that ability off their site. So if you have the software right now, you're stuck with it.

Sorry, but IMO, that is beyond crazy.
Not necessarily - it's entirely possible stores have boxed copy inventory (or downloads+serials) which is already paid for, that they could probably sell - as long as they reasonably explained the lack of support to the intended purchaser and they knew what they were getting into.

But don't these boxed copies need online verification?

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:00 pm

wagtunes wrote:
wasi wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:
wagtunes wrote: Okay, now we're getting somewhere. Copyrights, if not renewed, do not last forever. Eventually unrenewed copyrights go into the public domain. So eventually, if CA does not renew the copyright (and I see no reason why they would if they're closing their doors) Alchemy WILL go into the public domain..
Correct, you may redistribute Alchemy at least 70 years from now.
Beat me to it, lol. 70 years after the death of the author.

Until then, you may however buy or sell a legally acquired copy of the software.
Actually, I'm being told I can't. A legally acquired copy of the software cannot be bought or sold because the company controlling the licensing transfer has taken that ability off their site. So if you have the software right now, you're stuck with it.

Sorry, but IMO, that is beyond crazy.

No, in the EU there's the second hand sale decision that allows selling the *copy* of the software but you can't transfer the license. There's a stickied thread in the marketplace if you want to dive in. If this happened to a US company you'd probably be screwed.

It's complicated.

ezelkow1 · Post by **ezelkow1** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:01 pm

Yea Im not sure how all these people saying you could buy a boxed copy or a copy from jrrshop would expect that to work. The ones from jrr probably wont even work, they most likely give you a code (as they do with sound packs) that you put in to camel's site to redeem them for a download. Well thats not going to work any more, so now you've just bought a license to something you cant even possibly get to

The boxed ones would probably be similar, if a boxed copy of alchemy even exists, since you need to get your license details in to alchemy which the boxed copy wouldnt do

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:01 pm

wagtunes wrote:Sorry, but IMO, that is beyond crazy.

Only if you think your perceived entitlement to the software is the metric for the situation.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:02 pm

i think the ruling was about the license, not the "copy". the problem isn't in inability to resell - technically, license terms of Camel Audio allow resale. it's just there's no technical capability to do so because there is no Camel Audio to handle license transfer anymore. in other words, you're legally allowed to, but lack the capability to do so.

thecontrolcentre · Post by **thecontrolcentre** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:03 pm

trimph1 wrote:
beely wrote:Have we melted the KVR server yet..?

I smell burning...
So that is what I am smelling...

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:04 pm

I must be suffering from C-Nile virus here. But what does one back it up in?

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:05 pm

thecontrolcentre wrote:
trimph1 wrote:
beely wrote:Have we melted the KVR server yet..?

I smell burning...
So that is what I am smelling...

andycraig · Post by **andycraig** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:06 pm

Alchemy is my favourite synth by a long way and has so many fantastic soundsets. I really hope this isn't the end of the road for this product but I'll keep using it for as long as I have the setup to run it. It's a real pity that official communications couldn't be better but I assume it's enforced. I doubt we'll get the explanation we're hoping for any time soon but I keep checking back in the hope of seeing a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel for Alchemy v2.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:07 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Sorry, but IMO, that is beyond crazy.
Only if you think your perceived entitlement to the software is the metric for the situation.

...or the original intent of copyright, which is to promote science and useful arts. that was the bargain - the public gives up some of its rights in exchange for more works appearing (to which the public is obviously entitled once the deal is done).

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:07 pm

ezelkow1 wrote:Yea Im not sure how all these people saying you could buy a boxed copy or a copy from jrrshop.

which 'all those people' would those be?

because as far as Im aware, Im the only person to have mentioned jrrshop as a 3rd-party supplier in several dozen pages, and what I specifically said was that the person asking how to get hold of alchemy forom a 3rd party should ask one of those 3rd parties, ie jrrshop what the situation was with the copies they had on sale. which is a pretty different thing.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 5:08 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Sorry, but IMO, that is beyond crazy.
Only if you think your perceived entitlement to the software is the metric for the situation.

If I thought I was entitled to this, or any software for that matter, I wouldn't have spent over 10 grand on software. i would have just pirated it.

There is no entitlement here. I simply want to make a purchase and I am being told I can't even though the product itself is still in existence.

I am not in any way taking money out of the mouths of CA as they are no longer in business as sales have stopped. In fact, I am offering to give them money for something that I know in 7 months is going to be worthless.

How is that in any definition entitlement?

Camel Audio ceasing sales? [Update: CA acquired by Apple]