Are you from la la land?Orbit-50 wrote: They showed that regardless of what's going on, they had their customers best interest at heart.
Camel Audio ceasing sales? [Update: CA acquired by Apple]
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- KVRian
- 991 posts since 9 Feb, 2013 from dallas tx
Indeed. They probably did have everyone in mind when they did what they did, otherwise they would have not given a damn and shut it down without any word at all and shut us out from our library of content completely. That they did things the right way gives me hope that there is indeed a sale of the IP ongoing and perhaps the new owners will take this product and sell it again once the IP is legally theirs to do with as they see fit.
I would pray that is the case and that it is not some company looking to squash the technology and or beg borrow and steal code from it to add into another product they develop though cross breeding would probably be cool. Speculation on Omnisphere gaining the Camel Audio legacy would produce a must have monster synth that could make NI komplete look less than awesome. I will still wish for the potential of getting alchemy as part of a sonar upgrade when x4 comes out.
Obviously the market is crowded now and it is tough as hell to make it in this biz. A company needs to have a better marketing strategy. Alchemy enjoyed a great deal of success because people could buy banks and use them in the free alchemy player and they were innovators in using this marketing approach. Synthmaster and others now use this marketing method and it seems to work very well. Omnisphere and other developers could learn a thing or 2 about marketing from these people. Lower initial cost with up sell potential is the way to do it. Now they are obviously getting out of the game and pursuing an exit strategy.
As someone who advises large companies on tax strategies here in the USA I am an expert on how to properly pursue an exit strategy and though they are in the UK, if they had been a client I would have advised them to move out of the EU and operate from another country. This may ultimately be part of the equation since the tax advantages of being domiciled outside the EU are probably very considerable and certainly they are enough to warrant such a move.
The sale of the company may be part of an effort to do this and as the new owners surface then this is likely to look like it is what happened when we see that they are no longer based in the EU. Avoiding this perception for one reason or another may be what is behind the wall of silence. It really could be a million other things but money is usually the ruling factor in most business decisions and as taxes are considerably less outside the EU I am prone to suspect that this may be closer to the truth than not.
Therefore it could be a PR stunt coupled with a reorganization under supposed new ownership when in fact it is all the same owners but paper has been shuffled in order to maximize profits from the exit strategy.
I can show companies that qualify here in the states how to sell their company to a trust that they control and when the transaction happens they are rewarded with 23 major tax incentives and get paid 100% the value of their company plus interest all for selling their company essentially to themselves. The employees would also benefit with extra retirement benefits. The strategy is very esoteric and maybe a handful of experts have the accreditation and expertise to pull it off here in the USA. This being the case anyone who has a company that does $20 MM in annual revenue with at least 20 plus employees and a 5 year track record in business would be blessed to have a chat with me and not a little bit. I could double your net profit from the exit strategy since when you pursue our advice you are also able to avoid 100% of the capital gains tax you otherwise will pay on the profits from selling your company and that here in the USA is probably going to be 40% of the proceeds from selling your company so really if you avoid that tax you are almost doubling your net profit right off the bat.
I would pray that is the case and that it is not some company looking to squash the technology and or beg borrow and steal code from it to add into another product they develop though cross breeding would probably be cool. Speculation on Omnisphere gaining the Camel Audio legacy would produce a must have monster synth that could make NI komplete look less than awesome. I will still wish for the potential of getting alchemy as part of a sonar upgrade when x4 comes out.
Obviously the market is crowded now and it is tough as hell to make it in this biz. A company needs to have a better marketing strategy. Alchemy enjoyed a great deal of success because people could buy banks and use them in the free alchemy player and they were innovators in using this marketing approach. Synthmaster and others now use this marketing method and it seems to work very well. Omnisphere and other developers could learn a thing or 2 about marketing from these people. Lower initial cost with up sell potential is the way to do it. Now they are obviously getting out of the game and pursuing an exit strategy.
As someone who advises large companies on tax strategies here in the USA I am an expert on how to properly pursue an exit strategy and though they are in the UK, if they had been a client I would have advised them to move out of the EU and operate from another country. This may ultimately be part of the equation since the tax advantages of being domiciled outside the EU are probably very considerable and certainly they are enough to warrant such a move.
The sale of the company may be part of an effort to do this and as the new owners surface then this is likely to look like it is what happened when we see that they are no longer based in the EU. Avoiding this perception for one reason or another may be what is behind the wall of silence. It really could be a million other things but money is usually the ruling factor in most business decisions and as taxes are considerably less outside the EU I am prone to suspect that this may be closer to the truth than not.
Therefore it could be a PR stunt coupled with a reorganization under supposed new ownership when in fact it is all the same owners but paper has been shuffled in order to maximize profits from the exit strategy.
I can show companies that qualify here in the states how to sell their company to a trust that they control and when the transaction happens they are rewarded with 23 major tax incentives and get paid 100% the value of their company plus interest all for selling their company essentially to themselves. The employees would also benefit with extra retirement benefits. The strategy is very esoteric and maybe a handful of experts have the accreditation and expertise to pull it off here in the USA. This being the case anyone who has a company that does $20 MM in annual revenue with at least 20 plus employees and a 5 year track record in business would be blessed to have a chat with me and not a little bit. I could double your net profit from the exit strategy since when you pursue our advice you are also able to avoid 100% of the capital gains tax you otherwise will pay on the profits from selling your company and that here in the USA is probably going to be 40% of the proceeds from selling your company so really if you avoid that tax you are almost doubling your net profit right off the bat.
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- KVRAF
- 2393 posts since 29 Jun, 2005 from La La Land
This is my point exactly.yessongs wrote:They probably did have everyone in mind when they did what they did, otherwise they would have not given a damn and shut it down without any word at all and shut us out from our library of content completely.
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- Banned
- 771 posts since 22 Jan, 2011 from Ableton Suite 9 and Reaper
good point. happy about that.Orbit-50 wrote:This is my point exactly.yessongs wrote:They probably did have everyone in mind when they did what they did, otherwise they would have not given a damn and shut it down without any word at all and shut us out from our library of content completely.
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- KVRAF
- 16977 posts since 23 Jun, 2010 from north of London ON
Precisely.Ameyah Audio wrote:good point. happy about that.Orbit-50 wrote:This is my point exactly.yessongs wrote:They probably did have everyone in mind when they did what they did, otherwise they would have not given a damn and shut it down without any word at all and shut us out from our library of content completely.
Barry
If a billion people believe a stupid thing it is still a stupid thing
If a billion people believe a stupid thing it is still a stupid thing
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- KVRAF
- 4329 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
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- KVRAF
- 14739 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
Sorry - not a camel.
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- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
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- KVRian
- 1125 posts since 29 Sep, 2013
That thing has ten legs. Weird.
In rotation here: Helios- Eingya
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- KVRer
- 17 posts since 9 Jul, 2006
My bet is Ableton. They are big and need something smart in the medium term against the uprising Bitwig competition, which will go fully modular sometime soon with 2.0 version. Ableton has Max4live and several respectable builtins, but the integration is rather complex. Alchemy 2 as a builtin instrument for Live and/or modularized into Max4Live would give them a killer feature. I hope so. All will be good.
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- KVRAF
- 2696 posts since 3 Aug, 2003 from Narnia
CAMEL GONE..?
That's terrible..!
They just toured last year.
Great band!
Gonna miss them
That's terrible..!
They just toured last year.
Great band!
Gonna miss them
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- KVRian
- 1392 posts since 28 May, 2008 from Saint Paul, MN
When something like this happens, I am reminded of a few important things about software:
1. Regardless of how well it functions, sounds, or replaces the need for hardware, software is most certainly nothing like hardware and we should stop comparing it as such.
2. All software will evetually completely cease to exist; in essence, its usability is always limited by time.
3. The increased frequency of perpetual "sales" and pseudo-going out of business/limited time offer gimmicks (see: nine volt audio) are diminishing the value of software to the point that it is hardly a business worth getting into.
4. When you buy software, you better intend to use it because when something like this happens its value drops to almost zero.
As a result of these things, I am less inclined to forfeit hard-earned money for software products. I have been a big supporter of many different companies over the years, but I am seriously questioning my investment--I feel like I have been throwing money away
1. Regardless of how well it functions, sounds, or replaces the need for hardware, software is most certainly nothing like hardware and we should stop comparing it as such.
2. All software will evetually completely cease to exist; in essence, its usability is always limited by time.
3. The increased frequency of perpetual "sales" and pseudo-going out of business/limited time offer gimmicks (see: nine volt audio) are diminishing the value of software to the point that it is hardly a business worth getting into.
4. When you buy software, you better intend to use it because when something like this happens its value drops to almost zero.
As a result of these things, I am less inclined to forfeit hard-earned money for software products. I have been a big supporter of many different companies over the years, but I am seriously questioning my investment--I feel like I have been throwing money away
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- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
This holds true for everything in this universe, including you and I.blueman wrote: All software will eventually completely cease to exist; in essence, its usability is always limited by time.