KVR Audio

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 10:37 pm

AstralExistence wrote:
do_androids_dream wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:
VariKusBrainZ wrote:4.17 ms

is that too much for track comping? a better question would be, anybody here use it for as a track compressor?
i always want to know if im doing something right.
That translates as 1/10th of a millisecond or so. Does 1/10th of a millisecond matter to you? Can you hear it when flipping the bypass button? Just because a compressor is marketed or designed for a specific task doesn't mean you have to use it that way. Use your ears to guide you!!
ah ok thanx. cheers dude.

I've just realised I have misread Varikusbrainz...*cleers throat... ahem!* I thought it said 4.17 samples. 4.17 milliseconds is a different matter if it's unreported latency - that can indeed have an effect in some scenarios.

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:12 pm

mandolarian wrote:From a quick non-read of the EULA, you'll need a special exception license from TDR. Which needs to be filled out in triplicate, in Russian and filed with the local tracking authorities in your area.

lol

@AstralExistence: It should be just fine on individual tracks. The only drawbacks are higher cpu load "than typical" and less compromises towards low latency. Another thing is usability vs flexibility. Many ppl, myself included, like to not get too fiddly with processing when mixing a record - there are typically much more important things to do. On the master bus, things are different.

Sound wise, Kotelnikov is more than adequate. It covers a wide palette and can handle all the demanding extremes with grace. Be it drums, dialog, vocals, bass, room mics, or a fat dubstep bassline.

Start with extreme peak crest values, full left or full right to reduce complexity. Both have very distinct behaviours and resulting colours.

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:29 pm

FabienTDR wrote:
mandolarian wrote:From a quick non-read of the EULA, you'll need a special exception license from TDR. Which needs to be filled out in triplicate, in Russian and filed with the local tracking authorities in your area.
lol

@AstralExistence: It should be just fine on individual tracks. The only drawbacks are higher cpu load "than typical" and less compromises towards low latency. Another thing is usability vs flexibility. Many ppl, myself included, like to not get too fiddly with processing when mixing a record - there are typically much more important things to do. On the master bus, things are different.

Sound wise, Kotelnikov is more than adequate. It covers a wide palette and can handle all the demanding extremes with grace. Be it drums, dialog, vocals, bass, room mics, or a fat dubstep bassline.

Start with extreme peak crest values, full left or full right to reduce complexity. Both have very distinct behaviours and resulting colours.

hi fabien, would this also apply to the free version? i want to make it clear i only have the free version.

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:45 pm

Sure, both editions are very similar. The compression is identical, the GE offers 3-4 "sexy" additional features, but nothing really essential for the mix. A must have for fans, though!

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:58 am

FabienTDR wrote:Sure, both editions are very similar. The compression is identical, the GE offers 3-4 "sexy" additional features, but nothing really essential for the mix. A must have for fans, though!

Fabien is being polite, so let me run it through the online Russian regulation translator for you:

"No, both editions are not very similar. The compression is identical, but not sexy - the GE offers many, many "super sexy sexy" additional features, that are really essential for the mix - the free 'comrade' version makes you and your tracks fat and lazy. The GE is a must have. Or else. Included are special permits for use as a track compressor on your eveel imperialist riffs with automatic forced approval from the local tracking authorities. PDC (Populist Dictator Control) is supported."

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:02 am

mandolarian wrote:
FabienTDR wrote:Sure, both editions are very similar. The compression is identical, the GE offers 3-4 "sexy" additional features, but nothing really essential for the mix. A must have for fans, though!
Fabien is being polite, so let me run it through the online Russian regulation translator for you:

"No, both editions are not very similar. The compression is identical, but not sexy - the GE offers many, many "super sexy sexy" additional features, that are really essential for the mix - the free 'comrade' version makes you and your tracks fat and lazy. The GE is a must have. Or else. Included are special permits for use as a track compressor on your eveel imperialist riffs with automatic forced approval from the local tracking authorities. PDC (Populist Dictator Control) is supported."

RockinMillie · Post by **RockinMillie** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:02 pm

mandolarian wrote:
FabienTDR wrote:Sure, both editions are very similar. The compression is identical, the GE offers 3-4 "sexy" additional features, but nothing really essential for the mix. A must have for fans, though!
Fabien is being polite, so let me run it through the online Russian regulation translator for you:

"No, both editions are not very similar. The compression is identical, but not sexy - the GE offers many, many "super sexy sexy" additional features, that are really essential for the mix - the free 'comrade' version makes you and your tracks fat and lazy. The GE is a must have. Or else. Included are special permits for use as a track compressor on your eveel imperialist riffs with automatic forced approval from the local tracking authorities. PDC (Populist Dictator Control) is supported."

How ironic that the comparison between free and 'GE' versions should descend into niaive national stereotyping (this written with a twinkle in my eye and a smile BTW).

Of course, national stereotyping is one of the added 'sexy' features of the "Gentleman's (sic) Edition"
and completely replaces the 'persecution complex' feature that is in the free edition -

i assure you im quite the intelligent guy and people who meet meet often say im the mot intelligent person they know. i feel the need to say this because i can't see why i should be persecuted for simply seeking knowledge that i don't have.

loopdon · Post by **loopdon** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:52 pm

I just have to express my love for these wonderful TDR offerings.

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:24 pm

loopdon wrote:I just have to express my love for these wonderful TDR offerings.

Desert island plugins could be TDR's slogan! They are what I'd always hoped ITB processing could be - fresh, clean and innovative - not tied to the nostalgia anchor that only points backwards.

Fabien for President! (Of Camel Audio - or Apple)

Hermetech Mastering · Post by **Hermetech Mastering** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:09 am

The Camel's dead...

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:16 am

Hermetech Mastering wrote:The Camel's dead...

He's just resting...

On a beach in the Bahamas.

Before he gets shoved in a flying metal box and delivered to a cuppertino cubicle where he will work on important tasks like resynthesized iOS bleeps and carrying mountains of secret project documents from one VP to another.

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:40 pm

I'm probably the last person who noticed this Camel Audio thing. Wow. I'm sure it wasn't easy for him to break with the community he built up over a decade. He probably has very good reasons.

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:16 pm

Perhaps a silly question, but I'm gonna ask it anyway.

On the web page for the TDR Feedback Compressor II it says, "A successor product is now available! Pls refer to TDR Kotelnikov."

Does this mean TDR Kotelnikov is replacing the TDR Feedback Compressor II? Will development on the TDR Feedback Compressor II continue?

David Else · Post by **David Else** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 8:49 pm

Regarding if the latency will be noticeable for an amp sim, check out this:

http://www.gbaudio.co.uk/data/time.htm

So if you walk away from your guitar amp by 5m you are hearing it 14.6ms late... so 4.9ms is the same as walking 1.7m away from amp.

Another way of thinking about it

Hermetech Mastering · Post by **Hermetech Mastering** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:49 pm

You see, I've never got that argument, cos unless you were wearing cans (which would defeat the whole argument of sitting and playing away from your guitar amp), you're STILL sitting a distance away from your monitor speakers, so that's an ADDITIONAL latency.

When I'm tracking myself playing guitar through the ADC/DAW effects/DAC loop, and monitoring post that chain, I just wack it up to 96kHz with the lowest latency I can before glitches occur (64 samples), sit a couple of meters back from my monitors in the sweet spot, and I can hardly notice the latency at all.

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