Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

so.......you pay the whole year at a cost normally associated with an update. but the minute you stop paying you revert back to how things were before you started paying

or have i misunderstood ??

If paying monthly rental, and jumping the ship before 12 months - that is the case as I read it.

ah, that was it

hope this nonsense doesn't catch on

[whyterabbyt]

Basically if there's a critical bug at the end of your subscription, you're screwed.

for the definition of screwed which equates to 'same as you would be for any software where a bug gets fixed in the version after you buy it'

[budweiser]

so.......you pay the whole year at a cost normally associated with an update. but the minute you stop paying you revert back to how things were before you started paying

or have i misunderstood ??

Cakewalk might release the 1.3 version that fix the bug in february 2016, but then you will have to pay again at least one month of subcription to get that version.

And if you stop paying after this month, you go back to 1.2, as you need to pay 12 month for a definitive licence.

[fmr]

you pay for a year-long block in advance, or you pay a month at a time over sequential 12-month blocks. if you pay for less than a full 12-month block by the second method, you revert back to how things were before you started paying for that block. ie if you paid monthly for 18 months, you'd lose the last 6 months of extra stuff, but keep the first year's.

FTFY

[whyterabbyt]

you pay for a year-long block in advance, or you pay a month at a time over sequential 12-month blocks. if you pay for less than a full 12-month block by the second method, you revert back to how things were before you started paying for that block. ie if you paid monthly for 18 months, you'd lose theprevious 6 months of extra stuff, but keep the first year's.

FTFY

FTBBYW. Fixed that back, because you're wrong.

months 13 to 18 are in the second block. Stop paying at month 18 and your version reverts to the capabilities fo the version as it was at the end of month 12, ie in month 18 you lose the previous 6 months worth of features. you never got the functionality from the last 6 months of your block (months 19 to 24), so you cant lose the last 6 months functionality.

[xamido]

Basically if there's a critical bug at the end of your subscription, you're screwed.

for the definition of screwed which equates to 'same as you would be for any software where a bug gets fixed in the version after you buy it'

The difference with other DAW is that your subscription can end and you cannot get that minor 1.22 version that fix bugs in 1.2 .

Other DAW will at least make that 1.22 version available to all customer of version 1.

[whyterabbyt]

Basically if there's a critical bug at the end of your subscription, you're screwed.

for the definition of screwed which equates to 'same as you would be for any software where a bug gets fixed in the version after you buy it'

The difference with other DAW is that your subscription can end and you cannot get that minor 1.22 version that fix bugs in 1.2 .

Other DAW will at least make that 1.22 version available to all customer of version 1.

Not for a major version, which is the equivalent situation. In this case, the equivalent of the major version is, per-person, what's available at the point 12 months from when you subscribe.

The same effect applies, the only thing that changes is when the line gets drawn (new major version vs annually per-person)

[xamido]

Not for a major version, which is the equivalent situation. In this case, the equivalent of the major version is, per-person, what's available at the point 12 months from when you subscribe.

The same effect applies, the only thing that changes is when the line gets drawn (new major version vs annually per-person)

Major version no difference. But minor version? That's where i think this subscription model is unfair.

1.22 that's usually free updates with every other DAW, are now paid updates if you don't have subscription. Sometime it's the minor version that fix critical bug.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

so the company benefits via a steady stream of development investment, upfront, from customers gambling on the possibility that the investment is met with solid performance updates and bug fixes. but at any point, should the customer's financial situation change (so as to have to default somewhere before month 12), or it turn out that the company really are not coming through with the goods, the customer who backs out loses that block of investment ??

[She Changed Her Mind]

I am sooo happy I didn't buy into this. My doctor advised me to stay calm. Pffew!

Could you explain what it is you don't like? Because I'm not seeing any negatives at all.

If you can't read.. why write?

If cannot motivate - why post?

Just claiming something is just trolling - wouldn't you say?

I did motivate my OP, now it's your turn. Isn't health a REASON MORE THAN ENOUGH for you? Okidoki then. Whatever.

[J4R1O]

This is getting oh so silly...

I'm gonna finish my current projects on X3 but that's it. I'm gonna buy Cubase. I will not tolerate this madne$$.

[xamido]

Taken from their own FAQ page.

Will I still get patch fixes even if I'm not an active SONAR Member?

No. You will need an active SONAR Membership to receive fixes and updates, but remember that customers who purchase up-front, or purchase at retail, automatically receive 12 months of Membership. During that time you’ll be receiving regular fixes, updates, and new features. And that means SONAR customers will now get more updates than ever before.

[whyterabbyt]

Not for a major version, which is the equivalent situation. In this case, the equivalent of the major version is, per-person, what's available at the point 12 months from when you subscribe.

The same effect applies, the only thing that changes is when the line gets drawn (new major version vs annually per-person)

Major version no difference. But minor version? That's where i think this subscription model is unfair.

1.22 that's usually free updates with every other DAW, are now paid updates if you don't have subscription. Sometime it's the minor version that fix critical bug.

A 1.22 version isnt usually free if V2 just came out; development on older versions normally stops. If you had V1 but decide to rent V2 for 4 months and then stopped, you can hardly expect to get V2 fixes backported into V1 for that.

[xamido]

A 1.22 version isnt usually free if V2 just came out; development on older versions normally stops. If you had V1 but decide to rent V2 for 4 months and then stopped, you can hardly expect to get V2 fixes backported into V1 for that.

You miss the point. If they didn't release version 2 yet and have 1.22 version to fix critical bug instead, then you're screwed if you don't have subscription.

Read my previous post, they mention explicitly about fixes not covered if you're not subscribed.

Bug fixes and minor version update is free with any other DAW, before the release of major update.

[whyterabbyt]

so the company benefits via a steady stream of development investment, upfront, from customers gambling on the possibility that the investment is met with solid performance updates and bug fixes. but at any point, should the customer's financial situation change (so as to have to default somewhere before month 12), or it turn out that the company really are not coming through with the goods, the customer who backs out loses that block of investment ??

well, this is the more significant thing, really. obviously they've already done some work, so its not currently 'all' upfront. but yes, it shifts the 'pay for the new features' model conceptually.