Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

it's very easy to say if you can't afford it then don't buy it. the reality is there could easily be a ton of young, noob, bedroom producers who get caught into temptation without necessarily having the means to follow through to the end

what is in place to stop this happening ?? i used to work in hi-fi retail, and finance wasn't handed out without heavy credit checks. what happens in this case ?? or is it really just a case of sign up and take a chance ??

the whole thing makes me uncomfortable, starting with the "subscription" misnomer, when we are really talking finance deal

[Burillo]

it's very easy to say if you can't afford it then don't buy it. the reality is there could easily be a ton of young, noob, bedroom producers who get caught into temptation without necessarily having the means to follow through to the end

what is in place to stop this happening ?? i used to work in hi-fi retail, and finance wasn't handed out without heavy credit checks. what happens in this case ?? or is it really just a case of sign up and take a chance ??

the whole thing makes me uncomfortable, starting with the "subscription" misnomer, when we are really talking finance deal

so now "i am entitled to bugfixes" morphed into "loans are evil because not everyone can handle them"?

[whyterabbyt]

it's very easy to say if you can't afford it then don't buy it. the reality is there could easily be a ton of young, noob, bedroom producers who get caught into temptation without necessarily having the means to follow through to the end

what is in place to stop this happening ?? i used to work in hi-fi retail, and finance wasn't handed out without heavy credit checks. what happens in this case ?? or is it really just a case of sign up and take a chance ??

the whole thing makes me uncomfortable, starting with the "subscription" misnomer, when we are really talking finance deal

so now "i am entitled to bugfixes" morphed into "loans are evil because not everyone can handle them"?

its easier to move the goalposts than admit that thing you were corrected on 30 times.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

it's very easy to say if you can't afford it then don't buy it. the reality is there could easily be a ton of young, noob, bedroom producers who get caught into temptation without necessarily having the means to follow through to the end

what is in place to stop this happening ?? i used to work in hi-fi retail, and finance wasn't handed out without heavy credit checks. what happens in this case ?? or is it really just a case of sign up and take a chance ??

the whole thing makes me uncomfortable, starting with the "subscription" misnomer, when we are really talking finance deal

so now "i am entitled to bugfixes" morphed into "loans are evil because not everyone can handle them"?

yeah, that's what i said.

[Burillo]

yeah, that's what i said.

no that's not what you said and certainly not what the original discussion was about.

[Burillo]

i'll remind you what the discussion was about, if you have short memory. here's your first post on this issue:

why, when you've already had people's money (essentially for renting), do you penalise those who don't run the 12-month course ??

if i pay for 7 months, but then don't pay for another 5, why do you remove all the bug-fixes etc and send me back to the previous update ?? you've had 7 months of money from me. more than that, if i ever want to get any further updates, i have to start all over again

nope !! your 12-months is not "fair"

if i pay for 6 months, during which time you fix a large bug that affected me, do you really then take that fix from me ??

nothing about "loans are evil" here, only something about you being entitled to receive bug fixes despite not paying the full price for Sonar. can we get back to this and disregard all this irrelevant financing talk?

[Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]]

Let me know if there are any other questions. I'll be watching this for another couple of hours before I self destruct

[Burillo]

Let me know if there are any other questions. I'll be watching this for another couple of hours before I self destruct

there was an interesting question raised somewhere as well.

let's say i pay for 15 months of support, then my subscription expires. then, the very next day you release a bug fix that fixes some bugs i really wanted to get fixed. do i get this update? i.e. is there any kind of "grace period" for updates after subscription expiration?

[Numanoid]

its easier to move the goalposts than admit that thing you were corrected on 30 times.

Obviously you are speaking from experience.

Treat yo'self to a deep fried mars bar, you deserve it

[whyterabbyt]

Let me know if there are any other questions. I'll be watching this for another couple of hours before I self destruct

Someone asked earlier about a 'grace period' on interrupted payments to restore the minimum 12-month continuity. Im assuming that they meant that the 'missing' payments were made. Possible?

[Burillo]

Let me know if there are any other questions. I'll be watching this for another couple of hours before I self destruct

Someone asked earlier about a 'grace period' on interrupted payments to restore the minimum 12-month continuity. Im assuming that they meant that the 'missing' payments were made. Possible?

already answered. 14 days grace period. after that, the counter resets to zero.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

it's very easy to say if you can't afford it then don't buy it. the reality is there could easily be a ton of young, noob, bedroom producers who get caught into temptation without necessarily having the means to follow through to the end

what is in place to stop this happening ?? i used to work in hi-fi retail, and finance wasn't handed out without heavy credit checks. what happens in this case ?? or is it really just a case of sign up and take a chance ??

the whole thing makes me uncomfortable, starting with the "subscription" misnomer, when we are really talking finance deal

so now "i am entitled to bugfixes" morphed into "loans are evil because not everyone can handle them"?

its easier to move the goalposts than admit that thing you were corrected on 30 times.

is it the first time i have mentioned that i think it is set up against the interests of those who may find it difficult to complete ??

also, i perfectly understand the situation. it's not that i am asking that people get bugfixes for nothing, when they haven't paid outright. clearly, cakewalk are going to receive money from a lot of people who will, with all the best will in the world, default on their payments. you seem to be suggesting "f**k'em !! they didn't pay fully, so....", whereas i think there should be some entitlement

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

yeah, that's what i said.

no that's not what you said and certainly not what the original discussion was about.

that was sarcastic

maybe with a " " a la "yeah, that's what i said "

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

i'll remind you what the discussion was about, if you have short memory. here's your first post on this issue:

why, when you've already had people's money (essentially for renting), do you penalise those who don't run the 12-month course ??

if i pay for 7 months, but then don't pay for another 5, why do you remove all the bug-fixes etc and send me back to the previous update ?? you've had 7 months of money from me. more than that, if i ever want to get any further updates, i have to start all over again

nope !! your 12-months is not "fair"

if i pay for 6 months, during which time you fix a large bug that affected me, do you really then take that fix from me ??

nothing about "loans are evil" here, only something about you being entitled to receive bug fixes despite not paying the full price for Sonar. can we get back to this and disregard all this irrelevant financing talk?

not my first post on the issue, and....sarcasm for the rest....(see above post )

[Burillo]

is it the first time i have mentioned that i think it is set up against the interests of those who may find it difficult to complete ??

no, it's not the first time, but that wasn't what discussion was about. you still haven't replied why do you feel entitled to bugfixes, and you also ignored another question numerous times, namely, what do you think Cakewalk should do when you interrupt your subscription.

also, i perfectly understand the situation. it's not that i am asking that people get bugfixes for nothing, when they haven't paid outright. clearly, cakewalk are going to receive money from a lot of people who will, with all the best will in the world, default on their payments. you seem to be suggesting "f**k'em !! they didn't pay fully, so....", whereas i think there should be some entitlement

great, we're finally back on track. so please, make the next step. what do you suggest Cakewalk should do in such a scenario? you keep flaunting this question each and every time it is asked.