Surface 2013: good bye iPad?

[4damind]

I'm not sure. For this typical stuff (searching, reading some stuff in the web, mail, navigation, using some special apps like news, ordering service, transportation service...) I see that many people using smartphones.
With my own experience, I love my smartphone and use it very often but the tablet is collecting dust
Not to mention that I would never make music with the tablet or smartphone, I need my powerful desktop computer for this and a big screen.

The Surface is a good idea but if it comes to our business and people needing a powerful mobile device IMO they are still buying eg. Macbooks?

[fmr]

I think desktop OS's will merge with mobile OS's.

At CES this year there are a slew of full Windows 8, 8-10" tablets in the $200 to $400 range, but the difference is that the processors are now keeping up with Windows (particularly the Core M and other Broadwell CPUs). Interesting times ahead.

But these were running a full Windows, not the Windows RT, right?

[Image-Line]

I think desktop OS's will merge with mobile OS's.

At CES this year there are a slew of full Windows 8, 8-10" tablets in the $200 to $400 range, but the difference is that the processors are now keeping up with Windows (particularly the Core M and other Broadwell CPUs). Interesting times ahead.

But these were running a full Windows, not the Windows RT, right?

Yes. RT is dead AFAIKS.

These new processors are 64 Bit running full Windows 8.1

Microsoft now providing Windows 8.1 free for tablets with screen sizes smaller than nine inches, hence some of the resurgence and amazingly low prices for good hardware.

Regards Scott

[dformd]

It may not be right now, or next year, but the iPad will be gone in a few years, since people start to realize that, behind the fun, it really does not do nothing that can be compared to a real computer running a real OS.

lol; alright; I'll bite; what the hell; you know you want me to.

1) "...it really does not do nothing..." literally means it DOES do something; "...it really does not do anything..." would have made your statement stronger.

2) whether you typed:
"...it really does not do nothing that can be compared..."
or: whether you typed:
"...it really does not do anything that can be compared..."
the fact of the matter is that the iPad CAN be compared to ANYTHING anyone wants to compare it to.
The act of comparing is simply the act of noting the similarity OR dissimilarity between two or more things.

3) If, as you are asserting, the iPad is not a real computer, and by extension does not run a real OS, then I am curious: how is it that I can turn it on and use it for various tasks?

Note: I realize I'm being a bit of a twat, but you were being contentious so let's have some fun

[egbert]

I tend to agree on using large monitors for DAWs. Surface Pro 3 docks can support 2 additional FHD monitors plus mouse and k/b and I imagine additional storage. Not sure how well they work together for low latency music but it seems possible that the device could be used as a portable pad and then be docked for use in a studio.

Skylake is coming later this year with further enhancements for SIMD stuff (AVX3.2) and could be the basis for Surface 4 or similar products. Toshiba - for example - has a new Portege model with similar features.

[Image-Line]

lol; alright; I'll bite; what the hell; you know you want me to.

...the iPad does seem to be in decline (true for tablets in general as larger phones are taking up the slack)...

http://www.google.com.au/trends/explore ... cmpt=q&tz=

http://www.zdnet.com/article/apple-q4-2 ... rly-sales/

The life cycle also suggests Apple will introduce a new product to bump the sales into a new category. Probably merging iOS and OS X somehow.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/could-a-bi ... ing-sales/

Regards Scott

[BiancaNeve]

I think phones are on a two year replacement cycle ie get a new one when your contract runs out whereas tablets are mainly not as subsidised and probably only need changing every 4 years or so. There's still not a lot an iPad 2 can't do.

I have to agree that dirt cheap windows tablets have an appeal that a cheap android doesn't.

Will FL studio run on any of the tablets other than the surface pro?

[bronxsound]

using ms os for audio work on a pc i took a plunge to try ipad for mobile experience. best ever full stop

[2ZrgE]

I'm not sure. For this typical stuff (searching, reading some stuff in the web, mail, navigation, using some special apps like news, ordering service, transportation service...) I see that many people using smartphones.
With my own experience, I love my smartphone and use it very often but the tablet is collecting dust
Not to mention that I would never make music with the tablet or smartphone, I need my powerful desktop computer for this and a big screen.

The Surface is a good idea but if it comes to our business and people needing a powerful mobile device IMO they are still buying eg. Macbooks?

At home I have a docking station for my notebook, but I travel regularily, so I always look for a perspective to produce 'on the road'. So I was looking forward to the Surface concept, a 13'' tablet with 'standard' CPU power sounded quite right. If it wasn't for the non-changeble battery...

And there's the question if my DAW would ever be capable of touch interaction.

[fmr]

Note: I realize I'm being a bit of a twat, but you were being contentious so let's have some fun

The double negative was a typo. Since my native language is a latin one (portuguese) I "literally" wrote as I would say it in portuguese. Yes, I'm aware in english we negate the affirmative and confirm the negative

Regarding the "real OS", of course your iPad has an OS, it's just that's a crippled one. It's like Wordpad (or Writer, in Mac OS) compared to MS Word (or Pages). You can write a text in the simpler ones, but you can't get much further than that, while with the latter, you can fulfill pretty much what you want (WOW, I guess I came up with a good comparison ).

So, if Wordpad or Writer is enough for what you want/need, fine. But if you want more, you have no other solution than buy a "real" computer.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Is it possible to create IOs apps on an iPhone/ iPad etc or are the coding tools all MacOS, out of curiosity ?

[egbert]

At home I have a docking station for my notebook, but I travel regularily, so I always look for a perspective to produce 'on the road'. So I was looking forward to the Surface concept, a 13'' tablet with 'standard' CPU power sounded quite right. If it wasn't for the non-changeble battery...

Yeah - the tendency of modern-day MS to ape the worst aspects of the Fruity Cargo Cult is irritating - eg massively overcharging for expanded storage, planned obsolescence ...

[BiancaNeve]

Note: I realize I'm being a bit of a twat, but you were being contentious so let's have some fun

The double negative was a typo. Since my native language is a latin one (portuguese) I "literally" wrote as I would say it in portuguese. Yes, I'm aware in english we negate the affirmative and confirm the negative

Regarding the "real OS", of course your iPad has an OS, it's just that's a crippled one. It's like Wordpad (or Writer, in Mac OS) compared to MS Word (or Pages). You can write a text in the simpler ones, but you can't get much further than that, while with the latter, you can fulfill pretty much what you want (WOW, I guess I came up with a good comparison ).

So, if Wordpad or Writer is enough for what you want/need, fine. But if you want more, you have no other solution than buy a "real" computer.

Except of course that you can get office 365 for the iPad

[fmr]

Is it possible to create IOs apps on an iPhone/ iPad etc or are the coding tools all MacOS, out of curiosity ?

I'm not a developer, but it's all Mac OS, AFAIK.

[fmr]

Note: I realize I'm being a bit of a twat, but you were being contentious so let's have some fun

The double negative was a typo. Since my native language is a latin one (portuguese) I "literally" wrote as I would say it in portuguese. Yes, I'm aware in english we negate the affirmative and confirm the negative

Regarding the "real OS", of course your iPad has an OS, it's just that's a crippled one. It's like Wordpad (or Writer, in Mac OS) compared to MS Word (or Pages). You can write a text in the simpler ones, but you can't get much further than that, while with the latter, you can fulfill pretty much what you want (WOW, I guess I came up with a good comparison ).

So, if Wordpad or Writer is enough for what you want/need, fine. But if you want more, you have no other solution than buy a "real" computer.

Except of course that you can get office 365 for the iPad

1. You realized I was using the Wordpad vs Word as a metaphor, right?

2. Two extracts of a review of Office 365 for iPad:
"Office for iPad is less capable than Office for Mac, but it's roughly equal to Apple's iWork suite, which is perfectly adequate for most productivity work. Office for iPad lacks a key advantage of iWork: automatic syncing of documents across all your devices, so they're available offline."
"...your files are essentially locked into Microsoft's own storage services (OneDrive and SharePoint)."

These are just two (big) drawbacks. But there quite a few more. As I said: "crippled".