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Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:59 pm

wasi wrote:Then came Iris 2 adding a few seemingly unrequested features

Oh, but they were requested, no doubt – by the iZotope bean counters.

I don't think that we will ever see any meaningful spectral Iris upgrade.

Whatever superficial bells and whistles they now stick on Iris, it's still going to be a specialist's instrument and there are too many recent, cool synths that it tries to compete with. If iZotope hopes to appeal to the masses with version 2, I fear that they're going to be very disappointed.

And so are we, who are yearning for a meaningful extension of its promising core capabilities.

/Joachim

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:28 pm

After all the hassle - or better in the midst of it - Iris 2 actually produces sound, so here is little impro video stepping through some of the converted patches beginning with the letter A. I've only accomplished 30 patches so far, but it's a nice start, you'll notice in the video that the random LFO sometimes works and sometimes doesn't and modulating it's speed doesn't work either, they are working on a fix, as described earlier in this thread.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 1:09 am

Could those of you still interested in Iris please cast your vote in this poll in the patchpool forum, thanks. If you have the time for a few mouse clicks or gestures on your ipad/trackpad that is.

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:32 am

Paulnz wrote:I had an interesting email conversation with Brad from Izotope before Christmas but didn’t have time to post anything about at the time.

The summary as I understand it is that Izotope understand that Iris 1 users want more spectral editing features however the uptake for Iris 1 wasn’t large enough to justify the work, so their main thrust with Iris 2 was to increase the user base by widening the appeal of Iris, then they could build on the core features.

His main email said the following:

“It's always hard to know when we'll be able to do more feature development on a product, especially in the first few months. So much of it depends on how well it's received by users. For example: our first version of Iris was something we were so proud of and excited about. We got some great press and amazing feedback from users, and those users made up a small and extremely creative group. They figured out possibilities we never could have imagined within Iris; it was inspiring! Unfortunately, we didn't see a major adoption of Iris in the musical community. If Iris 2 becomes one of those products lots of people in the musical community are relying on, it will be easier for us to justify getting in the small but critically important features on the spectral side, and do some free point releases, etc.

So much of our survey data and testing with musicians yielded results like this:

Iris 1 Release: Critics & users say - 'Cool', 'Unique', 'Great for Experimental Stuff'
Iris 1 Users ask for "MORE COOL STUFF & SPECTRAL EDITING FEATURES!!!!!"

But, musicians not using Iris said:
Iris 1 Modulation & UX is a barrier for use in a lot of musical contexts. 'This is fun, but I'd use something else in my everyday work'

We say: "If you had the modulation & UX, what would you like beyond that?"
THEN they would say: "MORE COOL STUFF & SPECTRAL EDITING FEATURES!!!!!"

SO:
We hope that lots of musicians will join the Iris community now, and once they've seen the value in spectral filtering (that so many of our loyal Iris 1 users already have), we can put in the work to make that much much better, and get behind all these great features Iris 1 users have been asking for!

We really do hope we have a successful launch with Iris 2, and from that can get some great new features out to you very soon. As a part of that, we have to make sure you guys get a solid 2.0.1 update with the hopes that the Iris 1 community can be comfortable recommending Iris 2 to new users and colleagues. We've gotten so many great ideas for Iris in the future, and are so excited for the possibilities!”

Another thing I find disheartening when reading Brad's response is the fact that they are aiming to "widen its appeal."

The thing is: I don't need another synth that appeals to the masses.

Besides, there are sooo many other synths to choose from already for mainstream stuff, that do it MUCH better than Iris. So why try and appeal to an already over-crowded, over-saturated market?

I want something different, and creative and unique... and I suspect MOST Iris users feel the same way, which is why they bought into Iris in the first place.

What they SHOULD be concentrating on is their niche, and what sets Iris apart from every other VSTi out there, instead of trying to build ANOTHER generic synth that caters to everyone.

That's what would help drive sales.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:53 am

Ben H wrote:…there are sooo many other synths to choose from already for mainstream stuff, that do it MUCH better than Iris. So why try and appeal to an already over-crowded, over-saturated market?

I want something different, and creative and unique... and I suspect MOST Iris users feel the same way, which is why they bought into Iris in the first place.

What they SHOULD be concentrating on is their niche, and what sets Iris apart from every other VSTi out there, instead of trying to build ANOTHER generic synth that caters to everyone.

That's what would help drive sales.

This!

/Joachim

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:54 am

Three Iris 2 patches beginning with the letter B in this ambient track:

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:03 am

Brad's comments are disheartening. Iris will never appeal to the mainstream, either with or without modulation. Why would anyone in the mainstream choose Iris over Massive for their dubstep wobbles? They just don't get that adoption of v1 wasn't widespread because it lacked too much core functionality in the spectral editing. Instead of improving it in the most important ways, they tried to transform it into something which no one wants. I don't think we'll ever see Iris v3.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:08 am

deastman wrote:Brad's comments are disheartening. Iris will never appeal to the mainstream, either with or without modulation. Why would anyone in the mainstream choose Iris over Massive for their dubstep wobbles? They just don't get that adoption of v1 wasn't widespread because it lacked too much core functionality in the spectral editing. Instead of improving it in the most important ways, they tried to transform it into something which no one wants. I don't think we'll ever see Iris v3.

My view exactly.

/Joachim

Harry_HH · Post by **Harry_HH** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 6:48 am

Spitfire31 wrote:
Ben H wrote:…there are sooo many other synths to choose from already for mainstream stuff, that do it MUCH better than Iris. So why try and appeal to an already over-crowded, over-saturated market?

I want something different, and creative and unique... and I suspect MOST Iris users feel the same way, which is why they bought into Iris in the first place.

What they SHOULD be concentrating on is their niche, and what sets Iris apart from every other VSTi out there, instead of trying to build ANOTHER generic synth that caters to everyone.

That's what would help drive sales.
This!

/Joachim

+1

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:03 am

It seems to me they only gave new sound-sets to show it could do the more mainstream sounds. Not that the machine was made for that only. What also seems apparent is the added features to go the next level than Iris are not exactly working up to speed or consistency. I'm still in a wait and see what they do to improve the functions into a complete working synth. But I'm not pigeonholing it into a contender to what is already out there just because of the factory content they currently have for it.
Still just waiting for needed updates before investing much time in it right now.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:12 am

I don't think that comparing Iris 2 with Massive makes any sense. Iris is unquestionable ambient monster and not supposed to do any wobbles at all.
Either way, wobble is pretty simple to dial with any synth.

What really worries me is the price, much higher than any other top synth on the market.

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:14 am

Guys, guys … you're just not getting the message are you?

1. Upgrade … or there will be no more toys.
2. Stop dissing us and get out there and sell our product for us to the EDMers … or there will be no more toys.

Now, be good and do what you're told. Daddy knows best.

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:45 am

So I haven't seen Brad weigh into this thread for quite some time.
I doubt he's still watching/reading it.

Sampleconstruct wrote:Three Iris 2 patches beginning with the letter B in this ambient track:

These are cool, Simon.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:49 am

Ben H wrote:So I haven't seen Brad weigh into this thread for quite some time.
I doubt he's still watching/reading it.

I think you can be pretty sure that he's watching, just not posting.

Ben H wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Three Iris 2 patches beginning with the letter B in this ambient track:

These are cool, Simon.

Thank's, Ben

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:19 pm

In the masochistic process of converting my 400+ Iris 1 patches to version 2 I today encountered a new bug which is rather disturbing:
For the first time the spectral selection in a sample in Iris 2 sounded nothing like in version 1, after searching for the culprit about an hour it became clear that the very thin lines I had drawn in version 1 using the lasso tool were much too thin for Iris 2, so all the overtones in the sound were gone and it simply sounded dull. So I tried to thicken the dozens of lines by drawing over them again with the pencil tool until it sounded somewhat like in version 1.

I mean I can meanwhile live with all the translation bugs and de-provements in version 2, but this simply totally sucks!

If someone wants to try - it's the patch "Cello Cosmos Split", the sample in S1 - compare and be amazed!

iZotope Iris 2