Any Spectrasonics news?

[quantum7]

You know what *I* find annoying?? When a person starts a conversation about how annoying it is for other people to point out what is annoying to them when the thing those other people find annoying *isn't* annoying to the person who started the conversation....

Of course I'm sure there are people who are annoyed by me bringing up how annoyed I am by the conversation that person started about how annoyed they are by the person who expressed the original annoyance - but of course if they get on here and start talking about it somebody is going to be annoyed by *them*, so hopefully that will deter them from actually posting about it.

You know what else annoys me?? Wool undershirts. Seriously - whose idea was **that**??? Itchy as f%ck!!

LOL Even though reading your post about the world's annoyances was annoying in itself...it is still my favorite post of 2015 so far.

[quantum7]

Do anyone knows if they are going to offer a download version?

I live in Mexico and getting boxed versions is such a hassle, paying shipping and import fees.

Good question! Shipping is easy in the USA.....but I'm just to darned impatient these days. One would think that in 2015 Spectrasonics will finally allow for a fully-downloadable product.

[Touch The Universe]

Its awesome we get 3000 New presets and soundsources but how are those any different than the other 3000 presets or soundsources that most users haven't even heard in the current version. whether its 3000 or 30000 is there a point when its too much to be considered to be adding value to a product when there is a good chance to never use any of them. Or what about a synth with a million presets already, would there be any value to an upgrade that will give you a billion more presets? The only upside is that it makes it a smaller chance that others will be using the same presets or soundsources..

[Gadget Fiend]

Spectrasonics is running a business. The company should price Omnisphere to maximize profit. If lowering the price will results in increased sales such that the increase offsets the lower price, then that's what the company should do. Likewise, if a higher price offsets the loss in sales (so that overall profit is higher,) that's again what they should do.

[ghettosynth]

Look, everything is subjective, including your opinion about the filters.

Um, no. There are well known and understood inaccuracies in analog modeled filters and there are well known understood solutions that address those inaccuracies. You either implement those solutions, or you don't. If you do, then you either shortcut the solution and hope that people can't hear it, or, you take a cpu hit, or, you come up with some new solution.

This topic has been discussed at length right here on KVR with significant contribution from those how are arguably the best in the business with plenty of references to academic work if you're interested.

I grant you that many can't hear, or don't care about the difference, and whether you prefer correctly modeled, or inaccurate filters, IS subjective, but the understanding of the limitations of analog modeling, is not.

[Touch The Universe]

Spectrasonics is running a business. The company should price Omnisphere to maximize profit. If lowering the price will results in increased sales such that the increase offsets the lower price, then that's what the company should do. Likewise, if a higher price offsets the loss in sales (so that overall profit is higher,) that's again what they should do.

Who says they aren't doing that already. They were going to sell it for 1000 and alot would still buy it, but they decided on 500 cause more than twice the people would buy it, so they thought would selling it at 250 sell 4 times as much, and the answer came back no. Wallah we have our price etc

[mostlyjustj]

Double post!

[quantum7]

Its awesome we get 3000 New presets and soundsources but how are those any different than the other 3000 presets or soundsources that most users haven't even heard in the current version. whether its 3000 or 30000 is there a point when its too much to be considered to be adding value to a product when there is a good chance to never use any of them. Or what about a synth with a million presets already, would there be any value to an upgrade that will give you a billion more presets? The only upside is that it makes it a smaller chance that others will be using the same presets or soundsources..

I'm guessing the 3000 new patches would be the equivalent to the new patches that Omnisphere 1 offered when it was first introduced as an upgrade from Atmosphere. They will be patches created from all the new material one would think. Omnisphere is one of the few synths with thousands of patches that has never overwhelmed me though. The browser is so well designed that finding what your looking for is quite easy.....and it will supposedly by even easier in Omni 2.

[Compyfox]

I don't really care about the pirates, what i do care about is a business model that clearly chooses to offset its losses to piracy by raising the price for honest customers. This was a common mentality for many software devs across the board 5-10 years ago, and while it is still practiced to some extent, there are successful devs who have managed to crackproof their software and seen increased sales as a result.

Sorry, but two things:

a) why bring the topic up in the first place
b) the price has no relation to piracy
c) as mentioned before - if the CP system would be "more aggressive", there would be the usual outcries again like "you can't do this" and "I won't go for iLok/Elicenser because 'reasons' ", etc

$500 is a lot of money for a plugin, they'd sell a lot more if it was cheaper. If it was harder to steal they'd sell even more. I'm sure they could earn whatever their target is and more honest customers could benefit.

Do you actually know how "many" licenses Specrasonic sold of Omnisphere alone? Have you maybe monitored the last recent 3 months of their Twitter account? While they don't retweet RMX tweets, I do get at least 2-3 retweets on Omnisphere alone.

On top of that:

$500 is a lot of money for a plugin, they'd sell a lot more if it was cheaper.

Read my last post again:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 3#p6018973
(i.e. the "comparison to hardware")

The pricing model(s) you propose would indeed attract more users, but it would also mean more work/maintenance for the company. Not to mention handling several versions and sample sets.

I know piracy is a taboo subject on here so i probably shouldn't pursue this point any further. You lot all think its worth the money so there's not much else i can say about it.

It is not a taboo subject. Only if it's going massively OT and turning into a full-on slugfest.



BTW:
I also paid between 280-300 EUR (MSRP is 299EUR) for RMX back in the days. I actually tried to get a second hand copy through KVR audio, but that didn't work out and I wouldn't have been permitted to upgrade at a later point (this changed through the years).

If I jump on Omnisphere (which I haven't so far - as I, as audio engineer, don't need that synth 'yet' - and budget is always an issue), I will try to find a suitable source with a fair street price (v1 currently goes for 359EUR at Thomann, Germany - MSRP is 399EUR). And this is all calculated by Spectrasonics already as well.

So... there you go.

[Touch The Universe]

Its awesome we get 3000 New presets and soundsources but how are those any different than the other 3000 presets or soundsources that most users haven't even heard in the current version. whether its 3000 or 30000 is there a point when its too much to be considered to be adding value to a product when there is a good chance to never use any of them. Or what about a synth with a million presets already, would there be any value to an upgrade that will give you a billion more presets? The only upside is that it makes it a smaller chance that others will be using the same presets or soundsources..

I'm guessing the 3000 new patches would be the equivalent to the new patches that Omnisphere 1 offered when it was first introduced as an upgrade from Atmosphere. They will be patches created from all the new material one would think. Omnisphere is one of the few synths with thousands of patches that has never overwhelmed me though. The browser is so well designed that finding what your looking for is quite easy.....and it will supposedly by even easier in Omni 2.

There should be over 7000 patches and sound sources in Omnisphere so v2 will bring to 10,000. Say I'm looking for a bell sound, then 200 patches are there (all high quality and could be used in the track), would having an additional 200 patches show up in the result be twice as valuable or desired? When is too much, too much is my question..

[Gadget Fiend]

Who says they aren't doing that already. They were going to sell it for 1000 and alot would still buy it, but they decided on 500 cause more than twice the people would buy it, so they thought would selling it at 250 sell 4 times as much, and the answer came back no. Wallah we have our price etc

Exactly. I was merely responding to people who were pejoratively stating that Omnisphere is "at the high end of the plugin price range." My response was essentially "So what?" If that's the price point at which Spectrasonics can make the most money, then that's the "right" price.

[quantum7]

Its awesome we get 3000 New presets and soundsources but how are those any different than the other 3000 presets or soundsources that most users haven't even heard in the current version. whether its 3000 or 30000 is there a point when its too much to be considered to be adding value to a product when there is a good chance to never use any of them. Or what about a synth with a million presets already, would there be any value to an upgrade that will give you a billion more presets? The only upside is that it makes it a smaller chance that others will be using the same presets or soundsources..

I'm guessing the 3000 new patches would be the equivalent to the new patches that Omnisphere 1 offered when it was first introduced as an upgrade from Atmosphere. They will be patches created from all the new material one would think. Omnisphere is one of the few synths with thousands of patches that has never overwhelmed me though. The browser is so well designed that finding what your looking for is quite easy.....and it will supposedly by even easier in Omni 2.

There should be over 7000 patches and sound sources in Omnisphere so v2 will bring to 10,000. Say I'm looking for a bell sound, then 200 patches are there (all high quality and could be used in the track), would having an additional 200 patches show up in the result be twice as valuable or desired? When is too much, too much is my question..

There can NEVER be to many as long as they are all significantly different from one another. I cannot tell you how many times I've searched for a "bell" (for example) and it took pulling up 20 or 30 "bells" from a lot of synths and samples before I finally found one that perfectly fit in my track. Having many, many choices is your friend.....of course, that's if you have a fantastic browser, which Omni does.

[mostlyjustj]

Its awesome we get 3000 New presets and soundsources but how are those any different than the other 3000 presets or soundsources that most users haven't even heard in the current version. whether its 3000 or 30000 is there a point when its too much to be considered to be adding value to a product when there is a good chance to never use any of them. Or what about a synth with a million presets already, would there be any value to an upgrade that will give you a billion more presets? The only upside is that it makes it a smaller chance that others will be using the same presets or soundsources..

I'm guessing the 3000 new patches would be the equivalent to the new patches that Omnisphere 1 offered when it was first introduced as an upgrade from Atmosphere. They will be patches created from all the new material one would think. Omnisphere is one of the few synths with thousands of patches that has never overwhelmed me though. The browser is so well designed that finding what your looking for is quite easy.....and it will supposedly by even easier in Omni 2.

I can see both sides of this. I think Eric said in the very beginning of today's video, how they are really into the fact that Omni gets used in so many different ways by so many different people. That has to be a motivating factor for the big library. He also said they take their claim seriously that they want a synth that will take a lifetime to explore... now ADD the granular engine plus a reverse mode.... wow - I'm pretty sure they did it!! And that's without *touching* the new wavetable/OSC shapes they've added.

I think one of the best things about Omnisphere is how vast the playground is - and adding more sounds only makes it deeper. Especially since the quality of sound sources is so consistently good. It's not at ALL like those ROMplers where everyone gravitates to the same dozen patches. For me part of the fun is knowing that when I find something interesting and start really messing with it, that the library is so big that it's unlikely that anybody else has ever played with the same sound in the same way!

Ok.... NOW is it April 30th yet??!?

[trimph1]

Spectrasonics is running a business. The company should price Omnisphere to maximize profit. If lowering the price will results in increased sales such that the increase offsets the lower price, then that's what the company should do. Likewise, if a higher price offsets the loss in sales (so that overall profit is higher,) that's again what they should do.

Precisely. It is their business after all.

[Kriminal]

So, Eric losing weight seems to be the biggest news....