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Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:24 pm

Why are people saying 'all these people bothered by the price'. I think only two people said it's too high so they won't buy? A few more people were thinking about why it cost what it does and how much you are getting for it. Just because someone is curious about the business model and rationalizing the expense in no way is that against the price or complaining. If anything all that rationalizing justifies the the price for the quality of sounds and features. At least thats the conclusion I came with.

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:52 pm

Tjgoa wrote:Why are people saying all these people bothered by the price

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:07 pm

just a few people said the cost is too high and they wouldn't buy because of it, yet 3 times as many people rebuked them for it for complaining. Yet on the flipside who is doing the more complaining, the people feeling the need to complain or the people complaining about them

So, a change of subject, this awesome update will be released for one of the best synths out there that will arrive in waaaaaay too long....

mutantdog · Post by **mutantdog** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:16 pm

basslinemaster wrote:Can you provide any evidence for this? Raising prices doesn't necessarily equal higher profits... quite the reverse sometimes...

No i can't, like 90% of the statements and statistics made on the net its made up and completely unverifiable (do you see what i did there?). However, it one of those arguments thrown about by anti-piracy campaigners over the years, that piracy raises the cost for legitimate customers. How much truth there is in that is a matter of debate and doing so here would be a step too far off topic.

Anyway, i admit there has been some very good arguments put forward justifying the price here. I guess i'm being a bit too focussed on one thing, just like how so many people were quick to blame piracy or VAT for Camel's apparent demise. Whatever the reason for its price, it is what it is and I can't afford it. I'm sure they will sell loads and have many happy customers anyway. I should probably just try and ignore it.

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:19 pm

Voice303 wrote:Quality isn't something that comes free or even cheap.

Spectrasonics is innovating in many ways here and others will eventually follow for cheaper. Its the natural cycle of things, but innovation aint cheap.

What are these many innovations?

I am an Omni 1 owner, and will probably be an Omni 2 owner, but all I see is a lot of existing technologies being brought together in one place, along with a massive sound bank; I don't see anything really groundbreaking?

jackmazzotti · Post by **jackmazzotti** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:25 pm

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Tjgoa wrote:Why are people saying all these people bothered by the price

that sums it up
maybe people should go to work for free too
or how about design your own synth that is even better the omni and sell it for a dollar

Aleatoriac · Post by **Aleatoriac** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:29 pm

trimph1 wrote: Omnisphere seems to have this attraction such as what we see here. All the whiners come out to thrash the same issues over and over.
Like I said. Get the whaaaambulances out.

Yeah, bunch of whaaaaambulance-riding waaaaaaanabees.

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:31 pm

Tjgoa wrote:Its awesome we get 3000 New presets and soundsources but how are those any different than the other 3000 presets or soundsources that most users haven't even heard in the current version. whether its 3000 or 30000 is there a point when its too much to be considered to be adding value to a product when there is a good chance to never use any of them. Or what about a synth with a million presets already, would there be any value to an upgrade that will give you a billion more presets? The only upside is that it makes it a smaller chance that others will be using the same presets or soundsources..

I think it's obvious to anybody who spends a few seconds thought on the matter that the point of the 3,000 new presets is to show off and make deep use of all the NEW features of V.2 -- granular synth, reversing, new unison, how about those 400+ wavetables, or the 25 new FX modules.... with all that under the hood, I'd expect the new presets to be notably 'fresh' sounding for Omni... if they aren't, that'll be too bad, but we can't know until April 30th (and the following months it will take to hear all of them

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Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:32 pm

the browser is pretty innovative i think with the find similar, and the lock mechanism. Just bringing it all together in a unique way with innovative sounds is doubly innovative imo.

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:34 pm

Tjgoa wrote:just a few people said the cost is too high and they wouldn't buy because of it, yet 3 times as many people rebuked them for it for complaining. Yet on the flipside who is doing the more complaining, the people feeling the need to complain or the people complaining about them

And then there is the THIRD kind of person in this equation -- the person who shows up to complain about people complaining. Furthering the conversation even less than the people you're commenting on from your high horse

(and then me, complaining about complaining about complainers as;dlkfjsad aahhh screw it!)

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:35 pm

I'd upgrade just for that new "Reverse" button!

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:36 pm

jackmazzotti wrote:
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Tjgoa wrote:Why are people saying all these people bothered by the price

that sums it up
maybe people should go to work for free too
or how about design your own synth that is even better the omni and sell it for a dollar

actually, that was referring to those who think that anyone who dares suggest that the price might be a bit too high(while also providing good reasons) are immediately dismissed as awhiner

and i've spent the last 12 years of my life between carework, volunteer work, working in exchange/barter, and "FREE" work. i always thought it was a very interesting way of life, but now i have been accused of whining (for daring to suggest the possibility of a cheaper upgrade without 3000 sounds i'm not interested in), i might have to reconsider

trusampler · Post by **trusampler** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:43 pm

Can omni2 multisample user samples, with zones???

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:44 pm

Tjgoa wrote:the browser is pretty innovative i think with the find similar, and the lock mechanism. Just bringing it all together in a unique way with innovative sounds is doubly innovative imo.

I have seen partial locking before, though my memory fails me just where right now, but the 'find similar', well librarians have know about that one for a few hundred years - it's all about good cataloging and metadata.

Now, if an M$ Office style paper clip (treble clef?) popped up and said:

"Hi Nik, I can see you are trying to make a sound like X. I see you're struggling but I can help you there - I've got a few presets that you might want to try - but if you want to persist with your knob twiddling, can I suggest you reduce the release time a bit."

Then I'd be impressed

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:45 pm

Don't confuse quality with perceived quality.
It's software, so much that is available has a perceived quality by sound, and absence of problems (and/or by the fixes to correct them). Omni 2 is not so ground breaking in my eyes as a plugin either. Some very nice improvements granted, and at least they didn't raise the price on what many of us believe to be exorbitant in the market to begin with. Being that what is often bought is not by MSRP or even MAP, but FMV. And doing their best to shut out the FMV perception has been a sticking point with many of us. So the attitude of doing so was insulting. What seems to have turned a corner is the company's approach in redesign of the plugins and website. Is that enough to get me past the support I had a bad experience with before?
Quite possibly, since the implication is that they are now really listening and have dropped the smug elitist attitude. And I find that somewhat ground breaking.

Any Spectrasonics news?