Any Spectrasonics news?

[lnikj]

Don't confuse quality with perceived quality…

… Quite possibly, since the implication is that they are now really listening and have dropped the smug elitist attitude. And I find that somewhat ground breaking.

I hear you

[Touch The Universe]

Its awesome we get 3000 New presets and soundsources but how are those any different than the other 3000 presets or soundsources that most users haven't even heard in the current version. whether its 3000 or 30000 is there a point when its too much to be considered to be adding value to a product when there is a good chance to never use any of them. Or what about a synth with a million presets already, would there be any value to an upgrade that will give you a billion more presets? The only upside is that it makes it a smaller chance that others will be using the same presets or soundsources..

I think it's obvious to anybody who spends a few seconds thought on the matter that the point of the 3,000 new presets is to show off and make deep use of all the NEW features of V.2 -- granular synth, reversing, new unison, how about those 400+ wavetables, or the 25 new FX modules.... with all that under the hood, I'd expect the new presets to be notably 'fresh' sounding for Omni... if they aren't, that'll be too bad, but we can't know until April 30th (and the following months it will take to hear all of them )

I wasn't questioning the point of 3000 new presets but in how much more value they would bring to a plate that is no where near empty. The wavetables are entirely different since there were only four osc waves to choose from before, but my point would be the same. How much more value would having another 400 or even 4000 tables hold, when for all intents and purposes a great majority of the original 400 tables most users will never use to the full extent. Why order another pizza when you haven't even finished the first slice? Of course the point of the new presets is to showcase the new sound sources. At any point was anyone hoping for the next update, i really hope we get a few more thousand presets cause omnisphere doesn't have enough? Thats 7k sound sources, how many variations when combined? My question was simple when is having too many presets at the point where having any further presets just is nonsensical and doesn't offer any further value to an existing product already fully saturated with sounds that not even in a lifetime you ever explore entirely. I thought I made it clear enough the first time but incidentally maybe only so when put in a few more seconds consideration

All the same though, I'm looking forward with great anticipation to hear those notably 'fresh' sounding presets

[neverenoughfunk]

Don't confuse quality with perceived quality.
It's software, so much that is available has a perceived quality by sound, and absence of problems (and/or by the fixes to correct them). Omni 2 is not so ground breaking in my eyes as a plugin either. Some very nice improvements granted, and at least they didn't raise the price on what many of us believe to be exorbitant in the market to begin with. Being that what is often bought is not by MSRP or even MAP, but FMV. And doing their best to shut out the FMV perception has been a sticking point with many of us. So the attitude of doing so was insulting. What seems to have turned a corner is the company's approach in redesign of the plugins and website. Is that enough to get me past the support I had a bad experience with before?
Quite possibly, since the implication is that they are now really listening and have dropped the smug elitist attitude. And I find that somewhat ground breaking.

just curious... how do you know so much about Omnisphere but do not own it... what "perceptions" are you giving... one from a non-user/owner? if i had the time... i could find "your" posts from the last 12 months where you are praising sampletank 2 and dimension pro... but have the nerve to question specstrasonic... WOW!!!

i would bet that a large percentage of Specstrasonic customers would buy their products blind... but "you" a non-owner have a lot to say...

WHY?

[quantum7]

People should remember that the 3000 new presets are based on all the NEW material that Omni 2 contains. It's not just like they made 3000 new presets with Omni 1 material. It's like an entire new synth IMO. Personally, the sample import, improved browser, and new synth waveforms are worth the price of admission, but many gigabytes of new and unique samples with 3000 brand new patches created from that new sample material also- WOW!!!!!

[Touch The Universe]

just a few people said the cost is too high and they wouldn't buy because of it, yet 3 times as many people rebuked them for it for complaining. Yet on the flipside who is doing the more complaining, the people feeling the need to complain or the people complaining about them

And then there is the THIRD kind of person in this equation -- the person who shows up to complain about people complaining. Furthering the conversation even less than the people you're commenting on from your high horse

(and then me, complaining about complaining about complainers as;dlkfjsad aahhh screw it!)

I've put forth many arguments for the justification of the price and felt compelled to mention that the people complaining about people rationalizing the price were the ones doing the most complaining in this thread, and found it ironic that this hypocritical element in there complaints went unnoticed by them. So I brought it to attention so we can focus on the update itself and not be derailed much further. Now I don't know if you made arguments for the price, or for or against it, but yeah, that'd make you a fourth person complaining about complaining about complainers which then brings your point moot about me derailing the thread when you yourself just did that. There is no other way to derail a derailing thread back on track but to derail it i guess.

[Touch The Universe]

People should remember that the 3000 new presets are based on all the NEW material that Omni 2 contains. It's not just like they made 3000 new presets with Omni 1 material. It's like an entire new synth IMO. Personally, the sample import, improved browser, and new synth waveforms are worth the price of admission, but many gigabytes of new and unique samples with 3000 brand new patches created from that new sample material also- WOW!!!!!

Yes, I agree completely, there is no better way to show off the new features of omnisphere than to include new presets with new soundsources. The features themselves are well worth it to expand and enhance omni, while the new sounds included are like icing on the cake, and a very tasty one at that

[Touch The Universe]

Now, if an M$ Office style paper clip (treble clef?) popped up and said:

"Hi Nik, I can see you are trying to make a sound like X. I see you're struggling but I can help you there - I've got a few presets that you might want to try - but if you want to persist with your knob twiddling, can I suggest you reduce the release time a bit."

Then I'd be impressed

Something new and innovative is always nice when it comes along but there is really no substitute for sound. Serum was innovative that it showed visually alot of what's going in with the synth and is really useful and even fun to look at. But soundwise the most new and innovative doesn't always sound best in the most areas like a synth like omnisphere I'm sure some would agree.

[BBFG#]

Don't confuse quality with perceived quality.
It's software, so much that is available has a perceived quality by sound, and absence of problems (and/or by the fixes to correct them). Omni 2 is not so ground breaking in my eyes as a plugin either. Some very nice improvements granted, and at least they didn't raise the price on what many of us believe to be exorbitant in the market to begin with. Being that what is often bought is not by MSRP or even MAP, but FMV. And doing their best to shut out the FMV perception has been a sticking point with many of us. So the attitude of doing so was insulting. What seems to have turned a corner is the company's approach in redesign of the plugins and website. Is that enough to get me past the support I had a bad experience with before?
Quite possibly, since the implication is that they are now really listening and have dropped the smug elitist attitude. And I find that somewhat ground breaking.

just curious... how do you know so much about Omnisphere but do not own it... what "perceptions" are you giving... one from a non-user/owner? if i had the time... i could find "your" posts from the last 12 months where you are praising sampletank 2 and dimension pro... but have the nerve to question specstrasonic... WOW!!!
i would bet that a large percentage of Specstrasonic customers would buy their products blind... but "you" a non-owner have a lot to say...
WHY?

You remember only what you want to remember.
I did buy Atmosphere 'blind' according to only the information I got from their website/spec/videos.
And it did not turn out to be a good experience.
All three of those plugins you mentioned are good for what they are.
My issue with all three of them have been the company more than the plugin itself. And two of them still have use for me (albeit limited to a small portion of what they include).
My 'issues' with Spectra came from it not being unique enough in what it did, and eventually finding that it wasn't much more than a VA to the majority of its users. So it simply didn't fit any need for me. And the experience I did have in owning Atmosphere was enough to keep it as something I would be foolish to ever buy into again at that point. So many of those past thread roundabouts were ended in simply reminding me that it really was weak at doing granular and that I still have a copy of Atmosphere in the back of the drawer to remind me of their attitude.

In one of those past threads EP came in and promised to make changes along the lines I was suggesting (echoing many others more than myself alone, I assume) and in fact, made them within a week or two after making that promise.

Now we have a new version, which shows a continued response to listening to the market. And again, one of the features we heard so regularly as being its weakness has been improved and it appears to be significant in that. Add to that the requested feature asked for by almost everyone, and I can see that there is a sweeping change in approach here.

Granted, I have no current experience on whether that means it goes as far as support/service...
But it does seem as though it very well could be.

[basslinemaster]

... when for all intensive purposes...

It's "for all intents and purposes".

[Touch The Universe]

... when for all intensive purposes...

It's "for all intents and purposes".

Much obliged

[Pi_314]

I'm a bit underwhelmed. Not so much with Omnisphere, but it's been many years!
I was expecting fireworks, maybe a parade, coffee and donuts?
Stylus RMX as it stands is like asking grampa to go out and win a marathon. Where is Stylus BMX, where I can give grampa a bike to win the marathon?

The lock feature in Omnisphere is pretty sweet though.

I was expecting a new look to Omnisphere, like when you go out and wax your car every once and a while, just to make it look spiffy and new. The Spactrasonics team used a dust rag ... no wax. It's not gonna have the new car smell. Wax on wax off

[VitaminD]

Maybe the issue isn't really the price it seems.. but that there is a whole cow edition and nothing else... no lighter edition for a lighter price? no tiers.

But it seems Spectrasonics designs their products with the 'whole' vision in mind; if one reduces the library and/or features to make a lighter version, it seems that it wouldn't be the same product/vision. Plus multiple lines to support.

That said, a player only version would be interesting.. same library just remove most of the controls from the GUI.. except that typically benefits a company that plans on releasing/selling expansions (such as the CA setup) more than the whole cow design.

So really it is whole cow or nothing here.. can't just get a glass of milk, or even a gallon, need to buy the whole cow. The plus to this design is not everyone has Omnisphere.. so it makes the sounds a little teency bit less used.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

whole cow....no tiers

multiple lines to support

seems ok for all the other companies that offer sounds/samples/presets by expansion
until we learn that camelaudio's demise was due to not being able to handle the multiple lines of support for their sound libraries

[Phorous]

Maybe the issue isn't really the price it seems.. but that there is a whole cow edition and nothing else... no lighter edition for a lighter price? no tiers.

But it seems Spectrasonics designs their products with the 'whole' vision in mind; if one reduces the library and/or features to make a lighter version, it seems that it wouldn't be the same product/vision. Plus multiple lines to support.

That said, a player only version would be interesting.. same library just remove most of the controls from the GUI.. except that typically benefits a company that plans on releasing/selling expansions (such as the CA setup) more than the whole cow design.

So really it is whole cow or nothing here.. can't just get a glass of milk, or even a gallon, need to buy the whole cow. The plus to this design is not everyone has Omnisphere.. so it makes the sounds a little teency bit less used.

Its great collaborating with people who have Omnisphere because of the "one package" reason. You don't have to worry about who has what expansion, you can just use everything in the synth to its full potential.

That said, an Omni light wouldn't be a bad idea. I am completely against the idea of individual expansions however.

[quantum7]

I was expecting a new look to Omnisphere, like when you go out and wax your car every once and a while, just to make it look spiffy and new. The Spactrasonics team used a dust rag ... no wax. It's not gonna have the new car smell. Wax on wax off

I personally love the GUI, but I have to wonder if some of the people who were underwhelmed by either the new features or price of Omni 2 would have thought a bit more positively if the GUI was totally redesigned?