Any Spectrasonics news?

[neverenoughfunk]

Don't confuse quality with perceived quality.
It's software, so much that is available has a perceived quality by sound, and absence of problems (and/or by the fixes to correct them). Omni 2 is not so ground breaking in my eyes as a plugin either. Some very nice improvements granted, and at least they didn't raise the price on what many of us believe to be exorbitant in the market to begin with. Being that what is often bought is not by MSRP or even MAP, but FMV. And doing their best to shut out the FMV perception has been a sticking point with many of us. So the attitude of doing so was insulting. What seems to have turned a corner is the company's approach in redesign of the plugins and website. Is that enough to get me past the support I had a bad experience with before?
Quite possibly, since the implication is that they are now really listening and have dropped the smug elitist attitude. And I find that somewhat ground breaking.

just curious... how do you know so much about Omnisphere but do not own it... what "perceptions" are you giving... one from a non-user/owner? if i had the time... i could find "your" posts from the last 12 months where you are praising sampletank 2 and dimension pro... but have the nerve to question specstrasonic... WOW!!!
i would bet that a large percentage of Specstrasonic customers would buy their products blind... but "you" a non-owner have a lot to say...
WHY?

You remember only what you want to remember.
I did buy Atmosphere 'blind' according to only the information I got from their website/spec/videos.
And it did not turn out to be a good experience.
All three of those plugins you mentioned are good for what they are.
My issue with all three of them have been the company more than the plugin itself. And two of them still have use for me (albeit limited to a small portion of what they include).
My 'issues' with Spectra came from it not being unique enough in what it did, and eventually finding that it wasn't much more than a VA to the majority of its users. So it simply didn't fit any need for me. And the experience I did have in owning Atmosphere was enough to keep it as something I would be foolish to ever buy into again at that point. So many of those past thread roundabouts were ended in simply reminding me that it really was weak at doing granular and that I still have a copy of Atmosphere in the back of the drawer to remind me of their attitude.

In one of those past threads EP came in and promised to make changes along the lines I was suggesting (echoing many others more than myself alone, I assume) and in fact, made them within a week or two after making that promise.

Now we have a new version, which shows a continued response to listening to the market. And again, one of the features we heard so regularly as being its weakness has been improved and it appears to be significant in that. Add to that the requested feature asked for by almost everyone, and I can see that there is a sweeping change in approach here.

Granted, I have no current experience on whether that means it goes as far as support/service...
But it does seem as though it very well could be.

did not need a dissertation... just curious... WHY?

[BBFG#]

did not need a dissertation... just curious... WHY?

To the contrary, your detailed query demanded it.
And now it has been answered.

Like I've also said before, the one thing that dissuades me from buying Omni now is something Spectrasonics has absolutely no control over...

[Pi_314]

I was expecting a new look to Omnisphere, like when you go out and wax your car every once and a while, just to make it look spiffy and new. The Spactrasonics team used a dust rag ... no wax. It's not gonna have the new car smell. Wax on wax off

I personally love the GUI, but I have to wonder if some of the people who were underwhelmed by either the new features or price of Omni 2 would have thought a bit more positively if the GUI was totally redesigned?

I like the GUI also, doesn't mean it can't be tweaked. Like going from a mustang to a fastback mustang. If the GUI didn't mean anything at all, they would do it in black and white with no 3D look to it at all. Thats why it puzzling they didn't touch the GUI after so many years.

[Hellfog]

I was expecting a new look to Omnisphere, like when you go out and wax your car every once and a while, just to make it look spiffy and new. The Spactrasonics team used a dust rag ... no wax. It's not gonna have the new car smell. Wax on wax off

I personally love the GUI, but I have to wonder if some of the people who were underwhelmed by either the new features or price of Omni 2 would have thought a bit more positively if the GUI was totally redesigned?

I like the GUI also, doesn't mean it can't be tweaked. Like going from a mustang to a fastback mustang. If the GUI didn't mean anything at all, they would do it in black and white with no 3D look to it at all. Thats why it puzzling they didn't touch the GUI after so many years.

yes but the GUI looks very unique compared others, so i'm glad they didn't change it.

[MFXxx]

Looking forward to the upgrade, no brainer from looking at the specs list for an upgrade.

But FFS, where is the Android controller are Spectrasonics whoring in bed with the 'A' corp? Would love to have this feature and get fooked if you think I would ever buy an Apple, except a nice juicy red one to eat of course.

[ghettosynth]

Look, did anyone say anything about you buying it though?

I know I did not.

That has nothing to do with nothing. I'm talking about a new product release like everyone else is.

And, again, until someone comes up with an objective-o-meter I will continue to say it is your subjective opinion.

Just as mine is.

Stick your head in the sand all you want, there is a difference in filters and it's about technology. If you don't understand it or can't hear it, then you don't have to worry about it, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or that it's subjective. Whether or not a unit delay has an effect on the filter response of a filter model is NOT in question, nor is it subjective, it's a fact. How you eliminate unit delays is not even new science, it's been around for a long time.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

[ghettosynth]

So some EDM listeners have golden ears?

You don't need golden ears to point out (the result of) mediocre filters. A lot of EDM (old definition, not new) really focuses on the sound of the filter and it matters, especially on a big system.

I'm just trying to imagine EDM dudes in an Ibiza Big Room club analyzing the quality of the filters of some random 2am Ibiza EDM track instead of looking at some chick's ass...

I can't imagine that either, but, if you think that I'm talking about Ibiza Big Room, you're missing the point entirely.

[ghettosynth]

just a few people said the cost is too high and they wouldn't buy because of it, yet 3 times as many people rebuked them for it for complaining. Yet on the flipside who is doing the more complaining, the people feeling the need to complain or the people complaining about them

Welcome to any thread about Spectrasonics products. Their products have a cult-like following and some owners seem to feel personally insulted whenever anyone wants to discuss the limitations of the products.

You're right, of course, for the most parts, it's the pro-omni crowd that resorts to insults whenever someone criticizes Omnisphere.

[cwig]

just a few people said the cost is too high and they wouldn't buy because of it, yet 3 times as many people rebuked them for it for complaining. Yet on the flipside who is doing the more complaining, the people feeling the need to complain or the people complaining about them

Welcome to any thread about Spectrasonics products. Their products have a cult-like following and some owners seem to feel personally insulted whenever anyone wants to discuss the limitations of the products.

You're right, of course, for the most parts, it's the pro-omni crowd that resorts to insults whenever someone criticizes Omnisphere.

I don't get why people not owning Ominisphere, and never will, waste so much time discussing it. This is a deep instrument, but you seem to know every little detail, despite not owning it. Surely, if it was so bad the marketplace would be flooded with used copies. Wonder why it isn't? But of course we in the elite omni cult are brainwashed into submission by Evil Eric & Co.

[VitaminD]

multiple lines to support

seems ok for all the other companies that offer sounds/samples/presets by expansion
until we learn that camelaudio's demise was due to not being able to handle the multiple lines of support for their sound libraries

I agree.. but, perhaps, Spectrasonics don't want the overhead/hassle of managing/supporting it that way. I really don't know..

I'd realllly like a player version though.. that I do know.


edit: oh wait, I missed the micro line of text you added there.

[hibidy]

@cwig: Well, let's be fair. Spect has the WORST reputation in marketplace history when it comes to resale. There were MANY horror stories. In fact, I would have sold my products long ago if it wasn't such a hassle. So, I think others are in the same boat

That being said, there is nothing "wrong" with omnishpere the way it is. I'm just not inspired by it. I also don't like using trilian and as I and many many others have said, we'd really like an RMX update.

A forum is a place to discuss the good, the bad and the ugly. If you can get to that w/o personal insults, then things should be fine. But that is not the way these threads go.

[BBFG#]

just a few people said the cost is too high and they wouldn't buy because of it, yet 3 times as many people rebuked them for it for complaining. Yet on the flipside who is doing the more complaining, the people feeling the need to complain or the people complaining about them

Welcome to any thread about Spectrasonics products. Their products have a cult-like following and some owners seem to feel personally insulted whenever anyone wants to discuss the limitations of the products.

You're right, of course, for the most parts, it's the pro-omni crowd that resorts to insults whenever someone criticizes Omnisphere.

I don't get why people not owning Ominisphere, and never will, waste so much time discussing it. This is a deep instrument, but you seem to know every little detail, despite not owning it. Surely, if it was so bad the marketplace would be flooded with used copies. Wonder why it isn't? But of course we in the elite omni cult are brainwashed into submission by Evil Eric & Co.

As a matter of fact they are. I see them on the market place frequently, but not sold as much as they're listed. Especially when the person wants a price for a second hand license that becomes NFR that is higher than some of the online dealers first hand.
I don't think Eric brainwashed anybody.
Maybe the ones that fall into this category came 'pre-washed'.

[ghettosynth]

just a few people said the cost is too high and they wouldn't buy because of it, yet 3 times as many people rebuked them for it for complaining. Yet on the flipside who is doing the more complaining, the people feeling the need to complain or the people complaining about them

Welcome to any thread about Spectrasonics products. Their products have a cult-like following and some owners seem to feel personally insulted whenever anyone wants to discuss the limitations of the products.

You're right, of course, for the most parts, it's the pro-omni crowd that resorts to insults whenever someone criticizes Omnisphere.

I don't get why people not owning Ominisphere, and never will, waste so much time discussing it.

Dude, I don't know what you come to KVR for, but it's a site about plugins, so, you would expect that people that DON'T own a plugin, will want to discuss whether they would at some time in the future.

This is a new release of a product that gets a lot of hype, of course I'm going to see if there is anything NOW that makes it interesting that wasn't there before. Of course I'm going to talk about it.

What doesn't make sense is why owners get so bent about discussion that includes criticism. Seriously, these conversations are pretty childish.

This is a deep instrument, but you seem to know every little detail, despite not owning it.

Because, to me, it's not deep, it's wide and shallow. Deep does not mean n thousand presets or many average features, or lots of low rate modulation that's easy to use. ACE is a deep synth, Reaktor is a really deep synth, Omni is understandable in an afternoon. What you don't seem to grok is that I evaluate new synths to see if they are something I want and just because I haven't thought much about Omni's technology in the past doesn't mean that won't change. Certainly the same is true about Uhe. I was and am not impressed with Zebra CM. It's ok, I've used it, but I wouldn't have purchased any other Uhe product based on that synth alone.

The bottom line for me is that while I think some of Omni's features are nice, I don't need another synth built on average synth technology. I already have far more synths than I can use. That doesn't mean I won't buy more synths, I'm just very critical about what features matter to me.

Surely, if it was so bad the marketplace would be flooded with used copies. Wonder why it isn't? But of course we in the elite omni cult are brainwashed into submission by Evil Eric & Co.

This is a nonsense argument. It's part of the repeated mantra that "the omni cult are brainwashed into" repeating. If you don't want me to think of you as part of that cult, then don't repeat arguments that, not only, don't make sense, but that have been repeated ad-nausium before. First, omni is often sold used. Second, there are built in barriers to selling it used that will have a dramatic effect on the available used copies. Third, I never said it was bad, I said that it isn't cutting edge synth technology. There is a vast difference between those two statements. Finally, I'm not surprised that omni owners tend to not be critical of the synth features, I've already outlined the reasons, I won't do it again.

[Aleatoriac]

I'm a paid member of the Omni Cult and I couldn't possibly give even less of a flying mental f**k than I do now about whether anyone else on the planet likes Omnisphere or not.

I like it. Good enough fo' me baby!

[BBFG#]

I'm a paid member of the Omni Cult and I couldn't possibly give even less of a flying mental f**k than I do now about whether anyone else on the planet likes Omnisphere or not.

I like it. Good enough fo' me baby!

Which is exactly what can be expected from a cult member.
(You've just confirmed many of the previous posts).