Surface 2013: good bye iPad?

[ezelkow1]

meanwhile, win10, hololens, give me a floating timeline, sample editor and tweakable floating synth window....... *squeeeeee*

[fmr]

We'll talk again when the figures of 2015 come out

Sure we will, but for now let's focus on how wrong you've been for the last 2 years.

It's the parody of the glass half-full or half-empty. For you it's still half-full, for me it's already half-empty

No matter what you say, IMO things are going exactly in the direction I predicted

[trimph1]

We'll talk again when the figures of 2015 come out

Sure we will, but for now let's focus on how wrong you've been for the last 2 years.

It's the parody of the glass half-full or half-empty. For you it's still half-full, for me it's already half-empty

No matter what you say, IMO things are going exactly in the direction I predicted

Your opinion.

Makes you to be a prophet of doom.

Apple hater...

[trimph1]

Apple will kill off the iPad by obsolescence. They will make something else that no one needs, iwatch anyone?

That's what a consumerism driven company do.

Yes, hopefully one of those altruistic tech firms can show them how things should be... MS, perhaps?

Leave it to Linux.

[polyslax]

No matter what you say, IMO things are going exactly in the direction I predicted

Of course they are... one day tablets will not exist.

Like saying the sun will die.

Part of what's so funny about your prognosticating is that you're treating it like some grand theory... well, that and the constant revisions.

[IncarnateX]

... well, that and the constant revisions.

Funny indeed but it is actually a rather trivial phenomenon. Among others, we know it from the case of Jehovah’s witnesses:

"No major Christian sectarian movement has been so insistent on prophesying the end of the present world in such definite ways or on such specific dates as have Jehovah's Witnesses (….). During the early years of their history, they consistently looked to specific dates-1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1920, 1925, and others-as having definite eschatological significance...When these prophecies failed, they had to be reinterpreted, spiritualized, or, in some cases, ultimately abandoned. This did not deter Russell or his followers from setting new dates, however, or from simply proclaiming that the end of this world or system of things was no more than a few years or perhaps even months away."

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cogni ... onance.php

According to Leon Festinger’s Theory (1965) it is all about reducing so called “cognitive dissonance”, that is the psychological discomfort that arises from belief-threatening information, by virtue of several forms of defences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Here is a beautiful quote that can be applied universally and not at least signifies why there are no such thing as “winning” an internet-debate:

(….) man's resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief. Suppose an individual believes something with his whole heart; suppose further that he has a commitment to this belief, that he has taken irrevocable actions because of it; finally, suppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view.

On the positive side of it; the continual statement of controversial beliefs on the internet kind of legitimizes some good old internet-bullying, so let the fun continue!

[fmr]

According to Leon Festinger’s Theory (1965) it is all about reducing so called “cognitive dissonance”, that is the psychological discomfort that arises from belief-threatening information, by virtue of several forms of defences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Here is a beautiful quote that can be applied universally and not at least signifies why there are no such thing as “winning” an internet-debate:

(….) man's resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief. Suppose an individual believes something with his whole heart; suppose further that he has a commitment to this belief, that he has taken irrevocable actions because of it; finally, suppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view.

Absolutely... That's exactly how you, Apple fanboys, act whenever someone say something menaces your beliefs

Long live iPad

[fmr]

Apple hater...

If you thought that was offensive to me, think again

[IncarnateX]

Absolutely... That's exactly how you, Apple fanboys, act whenever someone say something menaces your beliefs

Turning the case upside down like that is a little too cheap isn't it? Since the iPad is alive and kicking despite your prophecies, the burden of evidence is on you. So can we have a new date for the doom, plz? Then we' ll return to the matter when the time comes -if not to confirm the doom of the iPad, then at least to get a new revision.

[Mivo]

... and I also predicted that tablets in general are a fashion that would soon be vanished. I did that in 2013. In the end of 2014, sales results started to show that I was right.

This would be relevant if sales of laptops and desktops had not continued to drop in the same period.

Tablet sales of course slow down as most people won't replace their device every year, and phones get bigger, but the key aspect is that they are not replacing tablets with laptops, while the reverse is much more common.

When I switched from an iPad 2 to a Nexus 7, I expected that two years later I'd be using a Windows tablet. Now it is two years later and I bought an Air 2 because Windows tablets are either bulky or underpowered with crappy software support. The Nexus 9 was also a letdown (not even a 64 GB option, uninspired, too expensive), driving me right back to Apple and into the walled garden.

At this rate, I'll buy a Mac next year.

[9headshydra]

... and I also predicted that tablets in general are a fashion that would soon be vanished. I did that in 2013. In the end of 2014, sales results started to show that I was right.

This would be relevant if sales of laptops and desktops had not continued to drop in the same period.

Tablet sales of course slow down as most people won't replace their device every year, and phones get bigger, but the key aspect is that they are not replacing tablets with laptops, while the reverse is much more common.

When I switched from an iPad 2 to a Nexus 7, I expected that two years later I'd be using a Windows tablet. Now it is two years later and I bought an Air 2 because Windows tablets are either bulky or underpowered with crappy software support. The Nexus 9 was also a letdown (not even a 64 GB option, uninspired, too expensive), driving me right back to Apple and into the walled garden.

At this rate, I'll buy a Mac next year.

my sentiment exactly, the user experience is so superior with ipad I don't see anymore reasons to waste time with not well thinked products that don't even get a good apps ecosystem and need external hardware boxes to solve the audio latency issue.

as it is it's even ridiculous to try to convince other peoples that android or window tablets are better for us musicians : this is just not true and certainly explain why so many peoples still tell you that making serious music on tablet is impossible when you already making it on ipad.

[fmr]

This would be relevant if sales of laptops and desktops had not continued to drop in the same period.

And it is, because latptop (light) sales raised a lot.

At this rate, I'll buy a Mac next year.

And you will be another one contributing for what I predicted

[fmr]

...my sentiment exactly, the user experience is so superior with ipad

Compared to what?

as it is it's even ridiculous to try to convince other peoples that android or window tablets are better for us musicians : this is just not true and certainly explain why so many peoples still tell you that making serious music on tablet is impossible when you already making it on ipad.

First, I am not telling android or windows tablets are better. I say ALL tablets are rubbish (maybe iPads are a little less stinky, but still rubbish nonetheless).

Second, I am yet to see any real "serious music" composition made entirely in a tablet. What I see is talk, talk and more talk (and promises that THAT is the future).

But then, I see so much sh!t now presented as music that I guess even a iPad can do that

This isn't fun anymore. I am out. See you next year (or after Windows 10 release).

[Mivo]

And it is, because latptop (light) sales raised a lot.

Would you mind sharing a link to the statistics that show that laptop sales in 2014 increased "a lot"? (Up to and including at least Q3/2014.)

Okay, some disorganized thoughts while I brew coffee!

I fought my system wars in the late eighties and early nineties (Atari vs. Amiga), so these days I'm mostly just pragmatic about computers: I'm happy to use whatever works well, requires little tinkering, and doesn't annoy me. The last one is becoming increasingly more important to me.

I've spent a few years with Linux and FreeBSD, as well. The only relevant OS I have no experience with is actually OS X, mostly because some of the software I needed/wanted to use wasn't available for it in the past, and going the Apple route meant locking myself even further in than I did with Windows. But Microsoft isn't going in a direction that clicks with me (Windows 8 was a pain, though 8.1 is at least usable and, after much tweaking, even good), and they completely dropped the ball with tablets.

Getting an iPad (2) was fun, but it wasn't very useful to me other than for media consumption, and I felt fairly walled in. So, when the Nexus 7 came out (cheap, powerful, amazing screen), I switched to Android, leaving behind a large number of paid-for apps. I really did think that by the time I buy the next tablet, I could use a Windows one, which would have been the most convenient solution. But that didn't happen.

Meanwhile, audio/music software for the iPad developed at an impressing speed, and even as a gaming machine (I work in the social/video games industry) it became a substantial force, particularly in the casual sector. It even cut deeply into sales of dedicated portable gaming systems.

So now I bought an iPad Air 2, and frankly, it is an incredible piece of hardware, with an amazing battery life for the power it offers. Would I much prefer to have a sleek, powerful, beautiful tablet like this that runs Windows instead of iOS? Absolutely. My company would also love this as we would then only need to develop and maintain Windows software! But there is nothing there right now that comes even remotely close.

I don't see this changing in the predictable future. Apple seems to have a good hold on the mid to upper range market when it comes to tablets). The Nexus 9 was a wasted opportunity for Google because they priced it too high -- I think it was €489 for the 32 GB model, and it was a lot more bland than the Air 2). There's growth potential in the low cost market ("barrel’s bottom"), which is probably what you saw statistics or forecasts for. That's the Chromebook ("Telescreens") and cheaply produced, "sponsored" Windows laptops that cost little, have crappy build quality, and whose battery life is ridiculous.

Apple's A8X seems to have no competition from Intel currently (as far as efficiency/performance/price is concerned), so I guess what'll happen next are fan-less Macbooks that are well-embedded in the existing ecosystem and that have long battery life. It's a bit of a risky move with regard to software compatibility, but at least it feels innovative. Like someone actually trying to propel the development a bit forward and getting us out of this 10-or-less-hours valley we've been dwelling in for quite a while).

Anyway, the days where I can do all my work and all my hobby stuff on a tablet (any tablet) are still not here, partly because of the dependency on a keyboard (though Logitech's keyboard/cover combo is fairly usable and, unlike everything else I tried, not cheap feeling... well, it does cost €100, too), partly because of CPU power, partly because of connectivity. Having one physical output/input for everything (except headphones) is very limiting to me. I even need an USB hub for my laptop in spite of it having 4 USB3 ports.

I guess we'll get there at some point. If Apple gives me a hybrid solution down the road, I'll probably bite. If I can get something from Intel/Microsoft that performs as well and costs roughly the same, I'd prefer that, because it would be more convenient for me.

In short, it's not black and white for me, and I think it's good to have more viable choices. Competition is a good thing.

[egbert]

2014 was overall bad for laptop sales - I guess FMR means that the sub-category of light-weight portables (eg ultra-books) sold well. Intel doesn't expect Apple to ditch x86 for ARM anytime soon. Time will tell.