Any Spectrasonics news?

[BBFG#]

Even though I don't own it.
I will side with those that do in feeling they should have had a more reasonable upgrade price.
Loyalty should count for something.

maybe i have got it wrong, but i am pretty sure the total retail is the same for 2 as 1. is that right ??

I'm seeing about a $100.00 difference between the two.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

not sure how the update price is too steep... Omnisphere is a luxury item to start with... how many synths on the market cost $500? they are charging half to upgrade... and for customers who own all their products... $199..

when those $200 synths get updated... how much is the upgrade price? half?

Omnisphere is not for everyone... but for those who enjoys Omnisphere... $249/$199 is worth it...

another point... for "some" who do use Omnisphere... that is the only synth they use... therefore... they do not have to budget their money to keep their other synths up to date... with 10k patches (add the trillian library/sound design capabilities... not sure how many patches is that), with the sound design capabilities and sample import... at some point the ball should be in the court of the "user" and not the "tool"!!!

right? maybe?

i have been using omnisphere for 5 years, give or take, and atmosphere fro a few years previous. not once did i think it wasn't worth the price asked, and i have argued the case many times, on this very forum, to that effect

the patch quantity argument is also getting a little tired. 10,000 sounds is only of value if you can make use of them. if you are having to pay for them, without any choice, but have no use, then what value ??

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Even though I don't own it.
I will side with those that do in feeling they should have had a more reasonable upgrade price.
Loyalty should count for something.

maybe i have got it wrong, but i am pretty sure the total retail is the same for 2 as 1. is that right ??

I'm seeing about a $100.00 difference between the two.

in which case, is $100 not the value of the upgrade ??

[BBFG#]

Even though I don't own it.
I will side with those that do in feeling they should have had a more reasonable upgrade price.
Loyalty should count for something.

maybe i have got it wrong, but i am pretty sure the total retail is the same for 2 as 1. is that right ??

that sounds logical...

having an opinion about something does not pertain to them... a little illogical...

Actually, empathetic or sympathetic would be more accurate.
It would irrational to believe that the usual Spectra-motions are logical.
It is a treasure trove of examples in cognitive dissonance though.

[BBFG#]

Even though I don't own it.
I will side with those that do in feeling they should have had a more reasonable upgrade price.
Loyalty should count for something.

maybe i have got it wrong, but i am pretty sure the total retail is the same for 2 as 1. is that right ??

I'm seeing about a $100.00 difference between the two.

in which case, is $100 not the value of the upgrade ??

For a first time buyer, I'm seeing the price for Version 2 around the $450.00 mark.
Or Version 1 (with Grace Period free upgrade) at around the $350.00 mark.

Considering that many bought version 1 for over $400.00,
it just feels as some better 'loyalty' pricing would be appropriate?

[neverenoughfunk]

not sure how the update price is too steep... Omnisphere is a luxury item to start with... how many synths on the market cost $500? they are charging half to upgrade... and for customers who own all their products... $199..

when those $200 synths get updated... how much is the upgrade price? half?

Omnisphere is not for everyone... but for those who enjoys Omnisphere... $249/$199 is worth it...

another point... for "some" who do use Omnisphere... that is the only synth they use... therefore... they do not have to budget their money to keep their other synths up to date... with 10k patches (add the trillian library/sound design capabilities... not sure how many patches is that), with the sound design capabilities and sample import... at some point the ball should be in the court of the "user" and not the "tool"!!!

right? maybe?

i have been using omnisphere for 5 years, give or take, and atmosphere fro a few years previous. not once did i think it wasn't worth the price asked, and i have argued the case many times, on this very forum, to that effect

the patch quantity argument is also getting a little tired. 10,000 sounds is only of value if you can make use of them. if you are having to pay for them, without any choice, but have no use, then what value ??

i will be the first to admit that i am a preset junkie... not too much into sound design... i have enough problems writing tunes... the feature of getting like patches i think is great... i will go out on a limb and say individuals use omnisphere differently... but what ever direction you go in... i truly believe it is not the "tool" but the "user"... in other words... it an individual "cant" make music with omnisphere whether preset junkie, sound designer, both... the problem does not lie with omnisphere... it is the user...

[BBFG#]

... at some point the ball should be in the court of the "user" and not the "tool"!!! right? maybe?

Agreed.

[noiseboyuk]

Is it tired to talk about number of patches? No. And I'll tell you why.

First, on number of patches (not soundsources)... I currently have 5,100 in Omni 1, 1,500 in Trilian, 800 Moog Tribute and 3,300 third party patches (not including my own). Then I'd guesstimate another 2,000 new patches in v2 (and 1,000 soundsources). I make that 12,700 patches.

Whoa.

How may do I use of those? No idea. But when I search, I'm always looking for new things, or variations that I haven't tried before. I never use star ratings - what I'm looking for one moment will be totally different the next. The idea of favourites is rather alien to me. I want to start with that clean slate of 12,700 every time, and start drilling down.

This is why folks like me bang on about how great the browser is. I bought Bazille last year, it sounds terrific, and I'll likely never touch it again. It's very complex to program, and the brower is practically non-existent - crude categories then arranged by the developer's initials in the patch name. Compare that to being able to search by category, waveform, model, genre, mood and literally any text you can think of with boolean terms, trawling not just the tags but any term that crops up in the detailed patch descriptions. Then it'll find you similar patches, or lock the elements you want while you experiment. The speed with which you can find or design anything original will be phenomenal. That patch database is a goldmine - and the bigger the database (assuming you have 3rd party patches of quality) the more gold you have to mine.

If you work with patches, pretty much every other synth on the market is prehistoric compared to Omni 1, let alone Omni 2. You may as well order a System 55 and be done with it. Why do other companies put so little effort into the most basic way you interact with their products - loading a patch?

Of course, for those who find using patches immoral in some way, it's admittedly a broader playing field. Me - I love 'em. To be used and abused.

[neverenoughfunk]

Even though I don't own it.
I will side with those that do in feeling they should have had a more reasonable upgrade price.
Loyalty should count for something.

maybe i have got it wrong, but i am pretty sure the total retail is the same for 2 as 1. is that right ??

that sounds logical...

having an opinion about something does not pertain to them... a little illogical...

Actually, empathetic or sympathetic would be more accurate.
It would irrational to believe that the usual Spectra-motions are logical.
It is a treasure trove of examples in cognitive dissonance though.

just curious... how many threads on this forum have "you" bitched about Specstrasonics... common sense would say... it is not for you... right? maybe?

why not start a thread about a synth "you" love... where the update/upgrade price is just right... the update features are just right... you perfect product... and leave the cult-members to their discussion of omnisphere... you brought atmosphere... but did not buy the omnisphere update... but in a omnisphere 2 thread talking about an upgrade price when "you" do not own omnisphere 1...

take a step back and before you reply... think about that...

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

not sure how the update price is too steep... Omnisphere is a luxury item to start with... how many synths on the market cost $500? they are charging half to upgrade... and for customers who own all their products... $199..

when those $200 synths get updated... how much is the upgrade price? half?

Omnisphere is not for everyone... but for those who enjoys Omnisphere... $249/$199 is worth it...

another point... for "some" who do use Omnisphere... that is the only synth they use... therefore... they do not have to budget their money to keep their other synths up to date... with 10k patches (add the trillian library/sound design capabilities... not sure how many patches is that), with the sound design capabilities and sample import... at some point the ball should be in the court of the "user" and not the "tool"!!!

right? maybe?

i have been using omnisphere for 5 years, give or take, and atmosphere fro a few years previous. not once did i think it wasn't worth the price asked, and i have argued the case many times, on this very forum, to that effect

the patch quantity argument is also getting a little tired. 10,000 sounds is only of value if you can make use of them. if you are having to pay for them, without any choice, but have no use, then what value ??

i will be the first to admit that i am a preset junkie... not too much into sound design... i have enough problems writing tunes... the feature of getting like patches i think is great... i will go out on a limb and say individuals use omnisphere differently... but what ever direction you go in... i truly believe it is not the "tool" but the "user"... in other words... it an individual "cant" make music with omnisphere whether preset junkie, sound designer, both... the problem does not lie with omnisphere... it is the user...

i am not really sure what you are saying. i also am a preset junkie, but omnisphere is not the only synth i own. there is a lot of redundancy in sounds once you own more than one plugin.

as you have pointed out, what I want out of omnisphere is clearly not the same as others. that's why i am not that bothered about it trying to become the jack of all trades. if omnisphere's synth engine had never been updated, i wouldn't have missed it. but your point just confirms the model of selling expansions so that people can better tailor their own experience, and not be forced to pay for thousands of sounds that might not be to their liking

i have used omnisphere for years. it has appeared on pretty much everything i have done in that time. until 2 days ago, it was perfect for me. and it still is. i can make music with it as it stands now, just as i can make music with just a guitar. i am not blaming the tools

[BBFG#]

i will be the first to admit that i am a preset junkie... not too much into sound design... i have enough problems writing tunes... the feature of getting like patches i think is great... i will go out on a limb and say individuals use omnisphere differently... but what ever direction you go in... i truly believe it is not the "tool" but the "user"... in other words... it an individual "cant" make music with omnisphere whether preset junkie, sound designer, both... the problem does not lie with omnisphere... it is the user...

I think as I get older, this seems to be more where I'm headed too. With 'programming skills' going toward finding a preset that is close enough and 'tweaking to taste'. Even with certain past experiences, I still sit down with as much of an open mind as I can with Omni each year. Usually because of its 'simplicity'. And the new features in this version feel like they are the ones I've been holding out for. Do I need it? No, but then again, I don't really need 7/8th of the stuff I have to make music.

[goldenanalog]

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Is it tired to talk about number of patches? No. And I'll tell you why.

First, on number of patches (not soundsources)... I currently have 5,100 in Omni 1, 1,500 in Trilian, 800 Moog Tribute and 3,300 third party patches (not including my own). Then I'd guesstimate another 2,000 new patches in v2 (and 1,000 soundsources). I make that 12,700 patches.

Whoa.

How may do I use of those? No idea. But when I search, I'm always looking for new things, or variations that I haven't tried before. I never use star ratings - what I'm looking for one moment will be totally different the next. The idea of favourites is rather alien to me. I want to start with that clean slate of 2,700 every time, and start drilling down.

This is why folks like me bang on about how great the browser is. I bought Bazille last year, it sounds terrific, and I'll likely never touch it again. It's very complex to program, and the brower is practically non-existent - crude categories then arranged by the developer's initials in the patch name. Compare that to being able to search by category, waveform, model, genre, mood and literally any text you can think of with boolean terms, trawling not just the tags but any term that crops up in the detailed patch descriptions. Then it'll find you similar patches, or lock the elements you want while you experiment. The speed with which you can find or design anything original will be phenomenal. That patch database is a goldmine - and the bigger the database (assuming you have 3rd party patches of quality) the more gold you have to mine.

If you work with patches, pretty much every other synth on the market is prehistoric compared to Omni 1, let alone Omni 2. You may as well order a System 55 and be done with it. Why do other companies put so little effort into the most basic way you interact with their products - loading a patch?

Of course, for those who find using patches immoral in some way, it's admittedly a broader playing field. Me - I love 'em. To be used and abused.

you keep missing the fact that i have been a happy spectrasonics user for many years, and am very well versed in the positives you have listed. in fact, the features i was most excited about were the new browser features

just, for me, it was never even close to being fully explored as it was. the easy method of combining soundsources, tweaking, then randomising with the orb meant i never even considered buying 3rd party soundsets. it was always fresh. all i am suggesting i that the option be there for people to choose which sounds they pay for.

i also think that there needs to be more concession given to loyal users. why am i being asked to pay $249 when retail price has only risen by $100. if omni 1 was worth every cent and, by your contention, the upgrade is worth the $249, then why the discrepancy ??

[neverenoughfunk]

i am not really sure what you are saying. i also am a preset junkie, but omnisphere is not the only synth i own. there is a lot of redundancy in sounds once you own more than one plugin.

for the record... i have been owning vst/i for a minute now... i have a copy of Reaktor when it had a dongle and distributed by Steinberg... i do own komplete 10 ultimate (started with komplete 1) which comes with a few synths... but i like omniphere... the ability to flip thru sounds using my midi keyboard in omnisphere is my main love of omnisphere... out side the number of patches (i use trillian thru omniphere too)...

as you have pointed out, what I want out of omnisphere is clearly not the same as others. that's why i am not that bothered about it trying to become the jack of all trades. if omnisphere's synth engine had never been updated, i wouldn't have missed it. but your point just confirms the model of selling expansions so that people can better tailor their own experience, and not be forced to pay for thousands of sounds that might not be to their liking

for me... today i may "hate" a patch... but tomorrow i could be in a different mood... i started with atmosphere and some of those patches were to complex for me and my music... but as time went by and i got other sound libraries i.e. heavyocity... those complex patches began to make sense... plus as i listen to music today... anything goes... therefore you will never know which one of the patches will do the job...

i have used omnisphere for years. it has appeared on pretty much everything i have done in that time. until 2 days ago, it was perfect for me. and it still is. i can make music with it as it stands now, just as i can make music with just a guitar. i am not blaming the tools

not saying you are "blaming the tools"... a matter of fact... i have much respect for your opinions... i find you tell it like it is... plus i love your sense of humor... you are a pretty funny guy...

for me... i just have a problem with giving an opinion on something they do not own... i.e. i do not own a Benz... never drove one... but would say... they suck and cost too much... the question is... how would i know?

[lnikj]

i also think that there needs to be more concession given to loyal users. why am i being asked to pay $249 when retail price has only risen by $100. if omni 1 was worth every cent and, by your contention, the upgrade is worth the $249, then why the discrepancy ??

They've been to the same financial planning seminar as Izotope?