So I have not yet gone thru the entire manual , but did finish all the tutorial videos.
Another main issue is that I want "rapid" assistance with is modulating to a different tonal center for purposes of differentiating from the previous material i.e. "bridging"
Is there anything specific that RC does to suggest keys to modulate to ?
help me modulate
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- KVRAF
- 1728 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from USA
Hmm... so many possibilities: parallel modes; keys related to chromatic mediants and secondary dominants; etc. I am not sure that RC currently offers such suggestions.amiracam wrote:So I have not yet gone thru the entire manual , but did finish all the tutorial videos.
Another main issue is that I want "rapid" assistance with is modulating to a different tonal center for purposes of differentiating from the previous material i.e. "bridging"
Is there anything specific that RC does to suggest keys to modulate to ?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 36 posts since 23 Jan, 2015
exactly , but as you point out there are known music relationships that can be programmatically employed. So perhaps even an initial chord and/or scale to sound out the new tonality in the user's ears.
Modulating is one of the most effective ways of providing interesting contrast , for me , its an essential aspect of composing and thus it would be fantastic if I could "rapidly" understand the viable options, at least some.
Modulating is one of the most effective ways of providing interesting contrast , for me , its an essential aspect of composing and thus it would be fantastic if I could "rapidly" understand the viable options, at least some.
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musicdevelopments musicdevelopments https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=223336 - KVRAF
- 6014 posts since 9 Jan, 2010
I am afraid there are no such suggestions in the program yet. I will do my best to add it soon.
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- KVRAF
- 1985 posts since 14 Mar, 2006
secondary dominants, while you're at it, the ii's and vii-'s too.
chords borrowed from minor and other modes (i.e., bII bII bVI bVII, etc.. )
Neapolitan6, Italian and German chords.
More intelligence about tension add notes, and when there are so called bad notes that should be avoided.
more guidance about which chords might lead to other chords at a particularly point in the music.
All of the above is still in the diatonic domain, and overlooked somewhat by RC.
Modulation is a whole 'nother level...and would also be interesting.
But some of that is kind of beyond the scope of Rapid Composer, which to me seems more about phrase development, then harmony development...
Mapping Tonal Harmony Pro, is in my view the best harmony development app out there and cheap! However it also does not provide much in the way of guidance towards modulation. It does however approach the other stuff I have listed above, and I highly recommend it. It doesn't do any phrase development, its purely a way to explore chord progressions and keeps track of the resolutions and such. The Author came out of Berklee.
In terms of modulation, things get difficult to address as there are very few rules about it even in music theory in general. You can talk about common tone modulations, moving by 3rds, moving by 4ths, cycle of 5ths (which sounds kind of blasé anymore), In general, music doesn't really "resolve" very well during modulations. Modulations are something that a composer forces on the music, and usually it will move the music along, rather the "resolve", so to speak. I think it would be difficult to provide guidance in this way, but it could still be useful to provide a way for RC to recognize when a modulation has occurred or provide the user a way to mark where the key center has modulated and they wish to have a new key center..thus enabling new diatonic chord choices.
Then of course there is totally non-diatonic, chromatic music...and chord progression choices are much less based on typical diatonic resolutions and musical sounding modulations, but on myriad of other choices...counterpoint, voice leading, mathematical structures as as 12 tone rows, and on and on...
chords borrowed from minor and other modes (i.e., bII bII bVI bVII, etc.. )
Neapolitan6, Italian and German chords.
More intelligence about tension add notes, and when there are so called bad notes that should be avoided.
more guidance about which chords might lead to other chords at a particularly point in the music.
All of the above is still in the diatonic domain, and overlooked somewhat by RC.
Modulation is a whole 'nother level...and would also be interesting.
But some of that is kind of beyond the scope of Rapid Composer, which to me seems more about phrase development, then harmony development...
Mapping Tonal Harmony Pro, is in my view the best harmony development app out there and cheap! However it also does not provide much in the way of guidance towards modulation. It does however approach the other stuff I have listed above, and I highly recommend it. It doesn't do any phrase development, its purely a way to explore chord progressions and keeps track of the resolutions and such. The Author came out of Berklee.
In terms of modulation, things get difficult to address as there are very few rules about it even in music theory in general. You can talk about common tone modulations, moving by 3rds, moving by 4ths, cycle of 5ths (which sounds kind of blasé anymore), In general, music doesn't really "resolve" very well during modulations. Modulations are something that a composer forces on the music, and usually it will move the music along, rather the "resolve", so to speak. I think it would be difficult to provide guidance in this way, but it could still be useful to provide a way for RC to recognize when a modulation has occurred or provide the user a way to mark where the key center has modulated and they wish to have a new key center..thus enabling new diatonic chord choices.
Then of course there is totally non-diatonic, chromatic music...and chord progression choices are much less based on typical diatonic resolutions and musical sounding modulations, but on myriad of other choices...counterpoint, voice leading, mathematical structures as as 12 tone rows, and on and on...
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 18 May, 2010
Mapping Tonal Harmony Pro 6.5 for iPad is now available and it handles common chords, common tones and direct modulations. It also plays along to practice improv and more check it out, there are plenty of video tutorials
Http://mdecks.com/mapharmony.phtml
Http://mdecks.com/mapharmony.phtml