KVR Audio

Rik · Post by **Rik** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:57 am

I've been listening to lot of sampled drum kits recently.

My favorite that far is Natural Studio Kit, but I really miss having more snare + hihat samples and I can't wait until the end of the year to see the full commercial version.

I don't like so much BFD because of the snare sounds, they sound good but it is not the kind I am looking for. I am looking for a more punchy/rock snare sound.

I listened to SID demos, sounds fantastic but it is somewhat out of my budget.

Another option seems Studio Drums Capsule, I do really like the hihats and snare sounds but given the number of kits, I am wondering how many expressions (snare and hihats) there are with each one. Are they all only GM ?

And I like DFH too, but the kicks seem to sounds too hard and heavy metal like.

Or any other suggestions ?

Erik.

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:36 am

i feel the the same regarding the DFH kicks, so i too wanna know. trying to make soft and sadfull rock/pop over here.

fxe · Post by **fxe** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:09 am

Try Artist Drums

Karsten Viese · Post by **Karsten Viese** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:25 am

I know this sound stupid to most people but you have to add the punchyness to the snare yourself in your audio program of choise.

steffensen · Post by **steffensen** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:38 am

artist drums are good, besides, the morons have sampled the drums with reverb, and made it all pretty useless.

3mph · Post by **3mph** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:50 am

Lance, that depends. Did they sample it in a REAL room with a real room ambience? I've used a lot of drums (and loop cuts etc.) with a natural room-ambience with some quite good results. It it also a matter of genre of the music itself.

My favorite kit is definatly the drummer "Mads Michelsen" sampled kits. It's always a problem to get a snare sound real in a sampler, but theses drums make it 90% convincing. The hihats is very high and not that suitable for rock, but in blues, funk, soul and related genres they really work. Some of the toms are sampled with the snare-noise on and off. There's a lot of ghost-notes to play around with to make the details sound right.

Yes.. it's definatly my favorite

Rik · Post by **Rik** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:27 pm

3mph wrote:My favorite kit is definatly the drummer "Mads Michelsen" sampled kits. It's always a problem to get a snare sound real in a sampler, but theses drums make it 90% convincing. The hihats is very high and not that suitable for rock, but in blues, funk, soul and related genres they really work. Some of the toms are sampled with the snare-noise on and off. There's a lot of ghost-notes to play around with to make the details sound right.

Yes.. it's definatly my favorite

Are you talking about Groove Masters Drums ?
I listened to the demos and they are brillant. What format are you using (or do you recommend) ? Giga or Akai? Can I hear some of your stuff with these kits?
I found them on eastsounds at $99... could be my next buy

3mph · Post by **3mph** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:03 pm

Rik wrote:Are you talking about Groove Masters Drums ? I listened to the demos and they are brillant. What format are you using (or do you recommend) ? Giga or Akai? Can I hear some of your stuff with these kits?
I found them on eastsounds at $99... could be my next buy

Yes, actually the name is "Drums - groove masters", and it consist of 2 CD's: one packed with loops, and one with hits. Both of them are exellent. Unfortunatly I can't give you any samples of my work, but I can give you my word that it's worth all the money.

I don't know about formats. I have mine in AKAI and converted them to SF2 because of compatibility issues, and it works fine. Don't expect ready-to-go-kits though, you'll have to work with them a bit. The AKAI-samplecd have 3 main kinds of "banks": GM-kits, hihats and all the other stuff. None of the GM kits have hihats in them, but the mapping is correct. The hihat-kits also comply with the GM-standard when it comes to the mapping. I didn't find any of the GM-kits to be perfect as well, but just listening to the sounds individually is a nice and uplifting experience.

If you buy them I would really like to hear what you think of them and how you use them. Don't be afraid of leaving a msg or email as I'm really interested in hearing your point of view.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:11 pm

http://www.manytone.com/

Rik · Post by **Rik** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:27 pm

Kriminal wrote:http://www.manytone.com/

Sounds interesting but no mp3 demos

Rik · Post by **Rik** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:37 pm

Karsten Viese wrote:I know this sound stupid to most people but you have to add the punchyness to the snare yourself in your audio program of choise.

This doesn't sound stupid at all to me but I am also used to work with real drums. And given the style of the drummer, you are still limited his range and his style. No matter how much you tweak, you won't make a heavy metal drummer sound like a jazz funk drummer.

Alan Lastufka · Post by **Alan Lastufka** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:42 pm

Rik wrote:
Kriminal wrote:http://www.manytone.com/
Sounds interesting but no mp3 demos

This is not official in anyway, but I did a track about six months ago with the Manytone drums here: http://www.lastlibs.com/foryou.mp3

They will be replaced with SID though shortly...

griels · Post by **griels** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 8:51 pm

Lance Vance wrote:artist drums are good, besides, the morons have sampled the drums with reverb, and made it all pretty useless.

Which drums are you talking about Lance?

BFD has both direct and ambient mics, which can be output each to separate VST outputs. The direct mics are pretty dry and by putting the snare through a nice gating compressor like blockfish and maybe a touch of EQ an extremely punchy sound can be derived. There is no artifical reverb... Everything is dry as a bone, totally unprocessed, offering you a huge amount of flexibility.

You can always build your own private kits from the output of BFD using something like Chainer or DiscoDSP HighLife if you want the convenience of preprocessed kits.

Rik · Post by **Rik** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:23 pm

Alan Lastufka wrote:They will be replaced with SID though shortly...

I finally decided to go for SID. The demos sound amazing and Scarbee products have some of the best sample programs around...

Erik.

Squids · Post by **Squids** » Wed Jul 28, 2004 8:48 am

Rik wrote:I've been listening to lot of sampled drum kits recently.

My favorite that far is Natural Studio Kit, but I really miss having more snare + hihat samples and I can't wait until the end of the year to see the full commercial version.

I don't like so much BFD because of the snare sounds, they sound good but it is not the kind I am looking for. I am looking for a more punchy/rock snare sound.

I listened to SID demos, sounds fantastic but it is somewhat out of my budget.

Another option seems Studio Drums Capsule, I do really like the hihats and snare sounds but given the number of kits, I am wondering how many expressions (snare and hihats) there are with each one. Are they all only GM ?

And I like DFH too, but the kicks seem to sounds too hard and heavy metal like.

Or any other suggestions ?

Erik.

Studio Drum Capsule is both GM and I-Map which is VERY expressive (maybe even one of the most expressive at least when triggering from keys or a sequencer) for hats and snares. With snares you have extra things like ghost notes, left and right stick rolls, center hit, off center, sidestick, edge, rim on different keys with up to 8 velocities. The hats have left and right stick closed and then foot plus 6 more degrees of open/closed samples also on different keys. There are 4 kick keys and 9 tom keys (3 positions per tom each with up to 8 velocities).

It is a pretty serious library that works with Kontakt, Battery, HALion, EXS24, Reason and SampleTank 2 all from the same box (and comes with a free SampleTank 2 so you can immediately also use it as a plug-in). In SampleTank 2 it installs as a 2 gig drum library. Not bad for this price. You may like it!

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