Eclipsis VSTi by VST zOne (free)

[wagtunes]

@Wagtunes: My midi Keyboard even haven`t got a Mod Wheel Why? Because I`m a beginner and I`m new to the "hobby" electronic music. I`m a musician almost my whole lifetime, but making music at the PC and with Keyboard and Synthesizer is completely new for me.

Somewhere I had to start with a very little budget and for the beginning the M Audio Keystation 32 (without Mod Wheel) has been enough for me for to start and for the moment. I know that I will need a better Keyboard someday (with Mod Wheel and more keys), but keep in mind that there are also beginners among us here and not everybody needs the whole range of possibilities at a Synthesizer especially when it is freeware!!!

I have downloaded a lot of free Synthesizers during the last year and a lot of them have got fewer features than Eclipsis. In fact I think for a free Synthesizer Eclipsis is really, really great. As TrojakEW already said: He is also just starting, with a small budget. It is easy to develope something amazing, complex and very extensive if you have got enough money for it. But to create something cool (like Eclipsis ) with only a very small budget deserves respect in my humble opinion. To give it away for free although one could sell it even more. So: Give us "beginners" with small budget a chance to grow

Everybody starts somewhen. I also missed a couple of features at the modulation Matrix but I wouldn`t complain, because Eclipsis was a gift. I`m sure TrojakEW knows what could be improved by time and with more money, if enough people will donate, it will be possible. It is that simple. Giving him feedback is okay, but the way you did sounds a bit offending and it is not true that people will not donate, because they did already as you can see here in this thread.

Peace and Love
Yvonne

I'm sorry if you felt I came off as offensive. Several things and then I will drop this.

1) I was looking forward to entering this month's OSC but without basic mod wheel functionality, it would just be too difficult for me to come up with something that I felt was good enough. So I am passing on the competition.

2) I would more than GLADLY pay for a synth with basic functionality that should be standard in all synths. Back in the 70s, when i first started programming synths, every one I ever got had a mod wheel. It isn't like I'm asking for something special.

3) Giving away something is fine. But giving away something that isn't usable by a vast majority of the people who would use it defeats the purpose.

I am sure there will be a number of people entering this month's OSC and wrack their brains to get this synth to do "basic" things, thus making what they did even more impressive. But for some of us, it's just not worth the trouble.

I meant no offense and have no ill will towards the person who created this synth. In fact, I am willing to pay for this synth ONCE the basic functionality of a mod wheel is included. I never expect things to be given to me for nothing. I have spent thousands of dollars on my music business. But when I spend money on something, I expect it to have some basic things. If it doesn't, I simply don't buy it.

Again, please take this in the spirit in which it was intended. It was not my intention to offend anyone but simply to point out something that should be a basic component of any synth, no less important than having a sound source, filter, envelope and amplifier.

[Mojo42]

Now to the nice things

But you're right, man:

Ahm..........I`m female Surprise, surprise...... I guess maybe it is better to write my real name below my posts

Gaaaahhh!! So embarrassed right now!!

No problem, man (Are you? A man? )

As someone mentioned recently, it's so rare to have a woman on OSC that we tend to assume it's a "boy's club". I better think twice before using "bro", "mate", "man" and stuff like that.

As said: No problem. It`s my fault. I should have use another user name like "Madonna" or "Cher" or so.... But I actually expected more girls here and so I supposed it wouldn`t matter much. But it seems to be that females on kvr are so rare that no one expect them. Probably to meet a woman here is as seldom as a Jackpot at the Lottery. So: Congrats! Jackpot!!! I`m sorry that it is just me and not 10 Million Dollars lol.

Just checked your bank and there are lots of really experimental stuff there.

I warned you haha. Eclipsis invited me to do this and I think that is what makes it cool and special, I seldom had so much fun in programming.

Some real gems, like "Arp_Scratch", "Pad_Waiting" and "Inst_Flute Basic". So far I'm using pretty much my own patches for my OSC entry, but maybe I'll use some of your sounds: let's see if they'll fit with my ideas, hehehe.

Thanks a lot for feedback I`m glad that you like them. My personal favorite is Efx_Ghost Town. It is completely useless, nobody needs this, but it was the greatest fun in producing it You have to push the key hard and then hold it at least 20 Seconds or so for to hear it completely. But I had problems with making the wind. Maybe someone can improve this, just for fun.

Looking forward to see you on OSC someday.

Hm. Don`t know. I don`t like competitions much. I`m making music just for fun and for to relax. I`m here for learning, sharing experiances, of course also for getting constructive feedback if I produce something but competition...............nah. Too much stress and pressure, deadlines and such. I buried my dream to become a "Rockstar" already 20 years ago

@thecontrolcenter:
You`re welcome

Cheers
Yvonne

[Mojo42]

@wagtunes: Okay. I guess I understand now. There is a kind of competition among Synthesizer Developers concerning this "Synth of the month" thing. I didn`t know until now because I`m a newbie and in general new to this whole theme. Of course I have no comparison, because I don`t know who made which new Synthesizer and tried to get this "title" this month. But I think someone here at the kvr forum made this decision and so I think kvr is the right adress for complaining. I appreciate that you tried to explain, thanks I also will drop it now.
Cheers
Yvonne

[Mojo42]

Question: I tried to find out, but this forum is way too huge for me....who (exactly) decides what is the Synth of the month? Is there a user voting? Does the "headquarter" of kvr decides? Amount of Downloads? What? I`m just interested.

[TrojakEW]

wagtunes & RichardSemper: now I understand. Put simply many users are just used to make it this way because of previous experience and to do it different will be pain in the as*. Just like win 95,98,xp,7 users are forced to use win 8 metro gui wich is totally different. As I said I will try to add midi cc and midi learn in next update. I ask question about usage/advantage of it because I want feedback not complains.

Eclipsis and all other vstzone plugins were originally made only for my own usage. I was making OST for remake of old game UFO Enemy Unknown named UFO Two Sides. I started to look for some synth (free) to by able produce interesting atmosphere but none of existing were what I was looking for. I don't like samplers in that matter so first plugins was born named U.F.O. aka Unknown Frequency Oscillator (wich is still avialable as updated U.F.O. ZE) that was used for that OST. So all our plugins are designed to suits my need at first place (and I never need midi cc). I have shared them with you only because it will be selfish to keep them for myself. I have never forced anyone to use it and first special donate version were made only because I want to (kind of) return money to my friends that put together money for me, so I was able to buy flowstone license and therefore share the plugins with anyone. But I was not able to do so, to repay them not just for that but also for they help during almost 2 years of developing Eclipsis.

Mojo42: Thank you for all your efforts and kind words. It is worth more then 1 000 000 eur.

[bftucker]

Question: I tried to find out, but this forum is way too huge for me....who (exactly) decides what is the Synth of the month? Is there a user voting? Does the "headquarter" of kvr decides? Amount of Downloads? What? I`m just interested.

BJPorter is now the main person running the OSC contest.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlis ... e&u=245865

The month's selection is usually kept as a surprise...so that all those who enter the Challenge have the same amount of time to develop their entry. Some, like U-He's Hive, are fairly predictable however

More detailed answers are probably in this 130 page thread
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... start=1755

TrojakEW:

Sometimes overcoming what are typically conceived as the "limitations" of an instrument are an incentive to creativity.

Thanks for providing us with something different.

...

[RichardSemper]

wagtunes & RichardSemper: now I understand. Put simply many users are just used to make it this way because of previous experience and to do it different will be pain in the as*. Just like win 95,98,xp,7 users are forced to use win 8 metro gui wich is totally different. As I said I will try to add midi cc and midi learn in next update. I ask question about usage/advantage of it because I want feedback not complains.

I hope you understand that my intent was not to criticise or complain, merely a response to your request for feedback. I am grateful that you made this excellent synth (and other plugins) available for free. It's going to be lots of fun playing with it
I hope that any comments I make will be of help to you in any future development of updates etc.
As for the mod wheels etc. I think its a shame that some DAWs don't offer better functionality for this (as Animehaus explained) - leaving it up to synth developers. They certainly charge enough for their products!
Truth is (as many developers have found, especially on these forums) however good your synth may be, users will always be demanding of more features and functionality. You only have to look at the recent OSC U-He Hive and Ragnarok threads for plenty of evidence of this! We're like a pack of hounds diving in to tear up your beautiful masterpiece. I just hope that when you hear an array of tunes all made with only your synth at the end of it you will feel it was worth it!

[idfpower]

Some ppl seem to forget about what OSC is (or better said was) about: on one hand, like previously said, it's about overcoming those limitations and using them to challenge your creativity; on the other hand, it's about discovering new instruments and adapting your workstyle/workflow to that specific plugin - not the other way round. That is the whole point: you are given certain ingredients that may not be your cup of tea and you're required to make a delicious dish with them Sometimes the chosen synth lacks certain features, other times is very glitchy, or may be very difficult to build certain type of sounds with, etc. But that's the fun of creating an OSC song

Now back on topic: as I've said before, IMO Eclipsis is a killer synth. The GUI makes me think of Twin2, the sound options of Aalto, but overall, it has a distinct character (which is rare - especially in the freeware world), is much easier to work with and is very light on CPU - which again is very rare these days (some of the latest releases are too darn CPU heavy for my PC). I really like the new VST ZONE - every single plugin is awesome in its own way

[Mojo42]

Mojo42: Thank you for all your efforts and kind words. It is worth more then 1 000 000 eur.

Hey cool my "value" has risen up from 78 Camels to 1 000 000 Euro For all the ones who don`t understand this insider joke: At the Camel Audio Thread there is a link to an online calculator. With this calculator you can find out how many Camels your girlfriend is, because I have no girlfriend for to calculate, I just calculated myself

The result was 78 Camels. After this announcement in the Camel Audio thread no one has written love letters to me (which is a pity *lol*) although the guys there promised me. But hey I understand this, because: Who apart from Muhammad bin Raschid Al Maktum (Sheik of Dubai) owns 78 Camels?

Okay, seriously: Stay calm TrojakEW and don`t take the critique too much personally. Each time you share something in public (even if it is a gift) the danger of critique is quite real, because you can`t do it right for everybody. As an artist one have to accept this. I guess you explained very well your intentions with Eclipsis and I suppose everybody has understood now (at least I hope). I have got a great quote for you:

"If you are being criticized, you are doing something right. Only who has the ball gets attacked."
(Bruce Lee)



@bftucker: Thanks a lot for the information. This OSC seems to be very important for a lot of members here. That is why I don`t like competitions. I have all this already behind me. When it comes to competition, it comes to rivalry, when it comes to rivalry the Peace is over. Om.

I have nothing more to add apart from:

Make love, not war

[crimsonwarlock]

This OSC seems to be very important for a lot of members here. That is why I don`t like competitions. I have all this already behind me. When it comes to competition, it comes to rivalry, when it comes to rivalry the Peace is over. Om.

There is certainly no rivalry here in the OSC. It being a competition is just part of the fun, to push yourself to be better, not only better than others but especially better than you where before. Most, if not all, participants will state that they are here mainly for the learning experience. The fact that many participants share their patches BEFORE the month is over, so others can actually use those in their entry, speaks volumes about the great atmosphere here in the OSC.

Also, although voting is important and getting a 'ranking' gives you an idea about the quality of your track, it is widely accepted that the actual comments that participants give to each other are more valuable. Because of that you will see comments like 'this bassline is a little weak, could use some more work', instead of 'wow this track is amazing' (although those comments are welcome of course ). It's not negative to post real critique as the participants like to hear what others think they did right AND wrong so we can learn.

Stick around and you will get the great OSC vibe soon enough

[bftucker]

Also, although voting is important and getting a 'ranking' gives you an idea about the quality of your track (or your instrument), it is widely accepted that the actual comments that participants give to each other are more valuable...

Stick around and you will get the great OSC vibe soon enough

To add to what Crimson has said, the developers of new plugins should also appreciate the feedback from OSC...usually anyway. If there is a problem with your software, they are going to find it as they push it to the limits. Sometimes, they will surprise you with what they can achieve.

[Mojo42]

@Crimsonwarlock and bftucker:
Hm........ sounds like Eden Okay. I will watch this

But just to repeat myself: I know this "it`s just for fun competitions" already from other artistic scenes and I have seen all this "it`s just for fun competitors" killing each other in the end I just mean: That`s my personal experiance, but I must say a couple of things seems to be different here on kvr to other places and so.........maybe the competitions too. We will see. I´m open for a surprise

[crimsonwarlock]

@Crimsonwarlock and bftucker:
Hm........ sounds like Eden Okay. I will watch this

But just to repeat myself: I know this "it`s just for fun competitions" already from other artistic scenes and I have seen all this "it`s just for fun competitors" killing each other in the end I just mean: That`s my personal experiance, but I must say a couple of things seems to be different here on kvr to other places and so.........maybe the competitions too. We will see. I´m open for a surprise

Hey Yvonne, just go to the OSC website and pick any previous competition. Every comp has links to it's dedicated discussion topic on the forum here (so you don't have to search for it). Read some of those discussions and you will see what a great community spirit is at work there

Besides that, your donation of patches is already right up there with the aforementioned community spirit. You will feel right at home

[bibz1st]

Its a competition to see who can be the most helpful

[Mojo42]

Okay, okay who can resist so much enthusiasm?

I will check this out. If it is really for learning and if the feedback is really only helpful and constructive I maybe give it a chance although 4 weeks are actually not much time for creating a song. At least not for me. But I have seen that the track doesn`t need to be epic and 10 minutes long. I guess 3 Minutes I could make in 4 weeks *lol*.

I actually could need feedback and help, because I`m starting this electric music journey right now as already said. Once when I played Bass in different Bands we had a sound engineer for recording, mixing and mastering. My part was to play my instrument and I don`t needed to know anything about sound engineering. But now that I try home recording I simply have to know all and also have to do all by myself. That`s a hard task. I`m most of all interested into feedback to all this technical aspects because if people like a certain song or not is anyway just a question of taste. But concerning mixing, mastering, sound........one can get very objective feedback which is necessary and helpful.

Another problem is: I have got my PC speakers, my Laptop speakers and my DJ Headphones (at least) but does this say anything about of the sound of my tracks? NO. It sounds so different depending on what speakers I use that I have absolutely no idea how my songs sound like. Community Feedback concerning this aspect would be great. If the most say that the sound is okay then I guess it is really okay.

But for the Eclipsis Challenge it is too late already. I will have to work too many hours this month and as already said: I`m a very slow song producer, but I will keep an eye on the OSC. Promised