New granular synth: The Mangle

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Anybody should be able to hear the difference between a 320 k MP3 and 48 Khz/24 Bit wav

it doesn't necessarily matter that there's a difference, only how that difference affects the desired result, and where the resulting sound is destined to end up. in the same way as many mp3-vs-wav blindtests (which so many people fail), this kind of thing is going to be source-dependent. it is unlikely to be the case that ALL granular experiments with compressed audio will result in a garbled, aliased mess. i doubt the developer of 'the mangle' would include mp3 functionality to appease us laptop/ipod-toting kiddies (albeit 42-year-old, laptop/ipod-toting kiddies) if the results consistently ended up unusable

in the case of selling libraries, i would side with you, in offering as best quality as you can (especially at your hosting rates); it doesn't really makes sense to limit your market from the outset. however, for me, my intended market is one, and these granular experiments are likely to end up within dense mixes that likely consist of other sounds of a deliberately non-pristine nature

[wagtunes]

Just wanted to update everybody on the progress with the synth. I assure you, the developer is still working on this and has not abandoned it as I have been in heavy contact with him today.

He is currently working on an embed audio feature so that the audio files themselves will be embedded in the presets and also a feature that allows you to extract the audio from the preset in case you want to use that audio for other presets of your own.

I'll update you more as things develop

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Just wanted to update everybody on the progress with the synth. I assure you, the developer is still working on this and has not abandoned it as I have been in heavy contact with him today.

He is currently working on an embed audio feature so that the audio files themselves will be embedded in the presets and also a feature that allows you to extract the audio from the preset in case you want to use that audio for other presets of your own.

I'll update you more as things develop

ah, well...seeing as you have his ear (and are somewhat sympathetic to the cause), maybe you could mention aac

[Caine123]

Just wanted to update everybody on the progress with the synth. I assure you, the developer is still working on this and has not abandoned it as I have been in heavy contact with him today.

He is currently working on an embed audio feature so that the audio files themselves will be embedded in the presets and also a feature that allows you to extract the audio from the preset in case you want to use that audio for other presets of your own.

I'll update you more as things develop

still no reply from him here about a month now......... maybe tell him if he wants more customers and happy users he should be more responding instead of hiding , if i wouldnt have gotten this plugin as a bargain i wouldnt care as this is always a bad sign if a dev is replying like this......

[Doug1978]

Caine, with all due respect: what are you on about?
What specifically is wrong with the Mangle for you?

It works fine in my Ableton Live, and for my purposes.

Just because a developer hasn't appeared at KVR recently doesn't mean that his product is bad.
(re: the best-selling Sylenth...)

Sure, there could be some further extra improvements, as noted by wagtunes.
But in what essential ways are you being stopped from making the music you wish to, Caine?

[Caine123]

Caine, with all due respect: what are you on about?
What specifically is wrong with the Mangle for you?

It works fine in my Ableton Live, and for my purposes.

Just because a developer hasn't appeared at KVR recently doesn't mean that his product is bad.
(re: the best-selling Sylenth...)

Sure, there could be some further extra improvements, as noted by wagtunes.
But in what essential ways are you being stopped from making the music you wish to, Caine?

Do you really think the developer is ''hiding'', or are you just gobbing off?

please quote me where i said the product is bad....
sry but i dont understand such behaviour when someone gets offended only when i say a dev should be more replying to customers. that's all

i love the product and use it in my projects very often! so far for my opinion about it .

[Doug1978]

Answer my question first:
''What specifically is wrong with the Mangle for you? ''

My point, which you seem to be missing, is if a product works well then what difference does it make if the developer doesn't come on to one of many internet forums, KVR, for a couple of weeks?

Goodness knows, perhaps he's busy with life.
Or updating the Mangle.
Or working on a new project...

If you love the product, and there isn't a great deal wrong with it, then why on earth are you wasting your time coming onto KVR and whining:

still no reply from him here about a month now......... maybe tell him if he wants more customers and happy users he should be more responding instead of hiding , if i wouldnt have gotten this plugin as a bargain i wouldnt care as this is always a bad sign if a dev is replying like this......

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[wagtunes]

I understand the frustration by the lack of replies. I can't answer as to why I hear back from him within a few days except that I am doing extensive testing for him. I uncovered a number of bugs (including the audio save problem when transporting patches between machines) and have been spending a lot of time with the synth and actually helping him to make it better. Today I uncovered more issues that he's working on correcting.

The synth itself (if you can call it that) is excellent at what it does. I'm able to get sounds out of it that I can't get out of any other synth I own simply because I have the ability to take samples from any one of the over 100 synths I have, combine them in any way imaginable and then mangle them beyond recognition if I choose. This is truly an addictive piece of software and in just a week have created over 100 patches. You can't imagine what it sounds like to morph sounds from Omnisphere, Zebra 2 and Serum into one wavetable and run it through this thing.

I have no doubt that if we're patient, our patience will be well rewarded. As someone who is sticking his neck out and putting 8 to 10 hours of development time into this, I am THAT sure.

So hang in there.

The best is yet to come.

[Caine123]

Answer my question first:
''What specifically is wrong with the Mangle for you? ''

My point, which you seem to be missing, is if a product works well then what difference does it make if the developer doesn't come on to one of many internet forums, KVR, for a couple of weeks?

Goodness knows, perhaps he's busy with life.
Or updating the Mangle.
Or working on a new project...

If you love the product, and there isn't a great deal wrong with it, then why on earth are you wasting your time coming onto KVR and whining:

still no reply from him here about a month now......... maybe tell him if he wants more customers and happy users he should be more responding instead of hiding , if i wouldnt have gotten this plugin as a bargain i wouldnt care as this is always a bad sign if a dev is replying like this......

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i just asked him about the looping function i couldnt make out yet clearly. i have to re-check my mail.
you sound like a lil kid atm "answer my question first" , man....... pardon me for having you offended somehow or whatever im sorry!
if someone gets in contact with customers/releases a product etc. then he/she shouldnt be surprised that people like me just worry themselves if someone is so silent about the future of a product. but i guess im dramatizing it and should have no worries with a product so perfect!

[wagtunes]

Cain, maybe it's something I can help you with. I know this synth pretty well with all the testing I've done. In fact, I'd say outside of the code and how it works under the hood, I know this thing inside out.

If I can be of assistance, I'd be happy to give you a hand.

Also, don't forget. Email is very unreliable. He may have never gotten yours or you may have never gotten his reply. I got an email today that was sent in September.

Yes, just got it today. Something screwed up with that domain.

[Doug1978]

@wagtunes - the hard work is much appreciated and, tbh, it's already a great product.



Caine, I'm not offended. Why would I be?
I am just baffled by your insults and slurs eg about the developer ''hiding'', and now about me ''lil kid'', when they are completely unnecessary.
You are very quick to throw insults at people - and particularly when there's no good reason.
The Mangle works fine.

Anyone viewing your KVR posts can see that you're a very impatient person - always complaining at the slightest issue, or asking ad nasueum about whether to buy this synth, or this synth or this synth etc...

And your impatience leads to insults and slurs against other people, who have done nothing wrong.
All of which you seem to find perfectly acceptable.

[wagtunes]

@wagtunes - the hard work is much appreciated and, tbh, it's already a great product.



Caine, I'm not offended. Why would I be?
I am just baffled by your insults and slurs eg about the developer ''hiding'', and now about me ''lil kid'', when they are completely unnecessary.
You are very quick to throw insults at people - and particularly when there's no good reason.
The Mangle works fine.

Anyone viewing your KVR posts can see that you're a very impatient person - always complaining at the slightest issue, or asking ad nasueum about whether to buy this synth, or this synth or this synth etc...

And your impatience leads to insults and slurs against other people, who have done nothing wrong.
All of which you seem to find perfectly acceptable.

It's my pleasure to put the work in.

Oh yeah, Caine. This is the guy with a gazillion synths and still looking for that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. I remember from the Hive, Spire or Serum thread.

Oh well, what can I say?

But I try not to judge and help everybody if I can.

Old age will do that to you.

[Greg Houston]

New stuff to mangle:
https://www.conversesamplelibrary.com/

More new stuff to mangle:
http://global.novationmusic.com/heritage

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How does this compare with Padshop Pro?

Thanks in advance,
G

[wagtunes]

How does this compare with Padshop Pro?

Thanks in advance,
G

Personally, I like Mangle for two reasons.

1) I think the workflow is smoother.

2) I think the granulizer itself is more powerful.

Having said that, PSP is more stable. Mangle is brand new and still has bugs that need to be worked out. Plus, porting to another PC (for soundware developers) isn't really possible yet until the next version comes out, which Tom is working on now with my help on the testing end.

If you need something right away that is stable and reliable, you probably want to go with PSP. If you're looking for, what I feel is the more powerful granulizer, go with Mangle and ride out the beta bugs like a lot of people have done with other synths before it.

My 2 cents.