KVR Audio

jopy · Post by **jopy** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:22 pm

Sorry to dredge up this argument, but I had to share the latest evidence of the coming downfall of Apple:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-the-7 ... 7?mod=e2fb

...but wait, the fall is coming soon.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 2:26 am

You never can tell the Prophet Of Doom anything.

He just knows it will happen....

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:03 pm

The state of play on ipad connectivity and one new users comment

"I HATE APPLE but LOVE the apps.

As soon as these apps are available on the Windows touch Screen I will dump the iPad immediately."

Kalamata kid

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=105

Windows tabs are now less than £100, why mess with anything else? You can use a proper DAW like Reaper on Windows Tablets :

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6044221

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:33 pm

Forget it guys. Those bastards have tricked doom sayers and optimists both and entered a marriage of convenience:

So no dog fight after all. Time to go home

Jafo · Post by **Jafo** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:55 am

[quote="UltraJv"]"As soon as these apps are available on the Windows touch Screen I will dump the iPad immediately."
Heh, we Windows gamers have been saying that about Macs since last century. Funny combative world.

duncanm · Post by **duncanm** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:48 pm

UltraJv wrote:
Windows tabs are now less than £100, why mess with anything else? You can use a proper DAW like Reaper on Windows Tablets :

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6044221

Well, the tablets you can get usually have 1gb RAM so good luck doing anything with Reaper, even if you manage to get it running. trust me, I bought an HP Stream 7 because it was cheap as shit in the US while I was over there (£60!) and the only music related thing I found that ran on it was that FL Studio groove thing. the system requirements of everything else, even plugins just laughed at me.

Now, maybe with 2gb, but you're over your 100 quid. And most of them don't have 'real' usb ports either.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:02 pm

duncanm wrote:
UltraJv wrote:
Windows tabs are now less than £100, why mess with anything else? You can use a proper DAW like Reaper on Windows Tablets :

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6044221
Well, the tablets you can get usually have 1gb RAM so good luck doing anything with Reaper, even if you manage to get it running. trust me, I bought an HP Stream 7 because it was cheap as shit in the US while I was over there (£60!) and the only music related thing I found that ran on it was that FL Studio groove thing. the system requirements of everything else, even plugins just laughed at me.

Now, maybe with 2gb, but you're over your 100 quid. And most of them don't have 'real' usb ports either.

Well, what can you expect for that price? Give it a couple of years, and there'll be tablets which are on par with what laptops are like today. And then you'll surely be able to run Windows and your DAW's on them. The question is just if there won't be another big thing soon, like holographic stuff, which makes touchscreen devices obsolete.

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:54 am

For these devices to work with DAWs, they need to be able to guarantee low latency audio will not be interrupted by drivers that cause DPC spikes for starters. Making this a priority is probably not high on the agenda of companies pushing these things out into a competitive market place. Surface Pro 3 seems to cut this stuff pretty well but it will be interesting to see how the lower priced, high volume items go on DAW type tasks.

Funny thing is, multi-core processing is pretty much ubiquitous these days so the sort of loads that DAWs with plugins present are well catered for provided the sustained DSP processing stays within the thermal limits of the CPU/cooling setup and there are sufficient resources (RAM, USB bandwidth etc).

Lack of I/O is another issue - multiple USB ports for audio interface/storage/controllers are there on any decent laptop but not on these portables. USB 3.1 with type C connectors will be rolling out over the next year or two so perhaps devices could share a hub hanging off one of these ports and still deliver the necessary latency/performance.

duncanm · Post by **duncanm** » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:09 am

chk071 wrote:
duncanm wrote:
UltraJv wrote:
Windows tabs are now less than £100, why mess with anything else? You can use a proper DAW like Reaper on Windows Tablets :

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6044221
Well, the tablets you can get usually have 1gb RAM so good luck doing anything with Reaper, even if you manage to get it running. trust me, I bought an HP Stream 7 because it was cheap as shit in the US while I was over there (£60!) and the only music related thing I found that ran on it was that FL Studio groove thing. the system requirements of everything else, even plugins just laughed at me.

Now, maybe with 2gb, but you're over your 100 quid. And most of them don't have 'real' usb ports either.
Well, what can you expect for that price? Give it a couple of years, and there'll be tablets which are on par with what laptops are like today. And then you'll surely be able to run Windows and your DAW's on them. The question is just if there won't be another big thing soon, like holographic stuff, which makes touchscreen devices obsolete.

Well that was kind of the point I was making, but thanks for clarifying

yes, there are 100 quid tablets out there, no, they won't be very good.

Although, saying that, I did try, for a laugh putting reaper on the tablet and it did actually run! wait a reasonable latency with WASAPI. Totally useless, though, because of the 7 inch screen and my fat fingers.

memyselfandus · Post by **memyselfandus** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:28 pm

liquidsound wrote:I just spoke to a Microsoft Surface Sales Manager and said that the next version of the Surface, due around the beginning of 2013, will run full Windows 8 with i5 processor and capable of installing ANY application we can install on a regular laptop. Mouse, usb, external drive etc.
That means Reaper, Reason, Live etc. as long the minimum resolution is there...
Anyone else has better infos?

has this happened yet?

Too many replies to sort through.

BiancaNeve · Post by **BiancaNeve** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:43 pm

memyselfandus wrote:
liquidsound wrote:I just spoke to a Microsoft Surface Sales Manager and said that the next version of the Surface, due around the beginning of 2013, will run full Windows 8 with i5 processor and capable of installing ANY application we can install on a regular laptop. Mouse, usb, external drive etc.
That means Reaper, Reason, Live etc. as long the minimum resolution is there...
Anyone else has better infos?
has this happened yet?

Too many replies to sort through.

Yes. But the Surface pro 3 is pretty expensive in spec that it's true of.

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:01 pm

jopy wrote:http://www.wsj.com/articles/apple-the-7 ... 7?mod=e2fb

...but wait, the fall is coming soon.

Of course the fall is coming soon... it happens every year after summer.

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:55 am

duncanm wrote:
UltraJv wrote:
Windows tabs are now less than £100, why mess with anything else? You can use a proper DAW like Reaper on Windows Tablets :

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6044221
Well, the tablets you can get usually have 1gb RAM so good luck doing anything with Reaper, even if you manage to get it running. trust me, I bought an HP Stream 7 because it was cheap as shit in the US while I was over there (£60!) and the only music related thing I found that ran on it was that FL Studio groove thing. the system requirements of everything else, even plugins just laughed at me.

Now, maybe with 2gb, but you're over your 100 quid. And most of them don't have 'real' usb ports either.

Funny.. Runs just fine for me on the exact same HW. You must be doing something wrong.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 7&t=441886

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:19 pm

I don't get it. It has been almost 3 years since some of the most wise prophets at KVR predicted the ultimate fall of the iPad. I immediately sold mine at that time, of course, and now almost three years after Apple announce the iPad Pro. How is this possible?

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:28 pm

IncarnateX wrote:I don't get it. It has been almost 3 years since some of the most wise prophets at KVR predicted the ultimate fall of the iPad. I immediately sold mine at that time, of course, and now almost three years after Apple announce the iPad Pro. How is this possible?

As far as I know 9" tablets market is currently in crisis (ipad included), due to the introduction of all these (effectively more) comfortable 5" smartphones. This could be an answer: they are trying to look for a new target or smth? At first Jobs said like "the ipad will always remain a 9" tablet, that is its ideal dimension, and nobody need a stylus". After some years they introduced the ipadmini, and now even the big pad ('"pro") with stylus, too...

Surface 2013: good bye iPad?