Where You get inspirations(melody)?

[Tricky-Loops]

Most people find better melodies jamming around on the keyboard (or piano or guitar or whatever)...or singing under the shower... You don't need 10 years of piano training to learn playing keyboard...

[jancivil]

BUT I heard that in edm not necessarily need to know

That's right!

[jancivil]

You don't need 10 years of piano training to learn playing keyboard...

Great. People that give a shit, that want mastery, take time. Some people feel very entitled and special and would prefer not. Where is your evidence?

The question in the OP is wrong. He wants Seek Bromance; that isn't inspired, that is flagrantly xeroxing what's popular.
Just do that, download them MIDIs if you're in that kind of a hurry to have product with your name on it. Sample that avicii, he wouldn't sue would he? You're a fellow traveler FFS. Tim Berg is stealing, why not?

[Chapelle]

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[KBSoundSmith]

I'm always naively tempted to make a course on melodic writing and music composition for people to learn from. Then I read these sort of things and remember that it probably just isn't a very good idea. Oh well.

[jancivil]

But unless Tim literally went out and downloaded some MIDI or sampled one a these pop records and sampled some avicii or some crap, I would guess he understands what's in that tune in order to cop it.

Tim Berg is Avicii.

I take not knowing that as a badge of honor, if anything.

[Deep Purple]

This thread really confuses me. You ask for advice and when you get it you make a lot of excuses to not do what is suggested to you.

Why did you ask if you're going to reject the piece of advice that almost everyone is giving you? Doesn't that defeat the object of asking in the first place?

[bailees7irish]

Hi there,

Well, you could just throw the whole thing overboard and make minimalistic techno. That usually won´t be minimalistic anymore as soon as you introduce good melodies!

But if you after all still want to make music with melodies, it really does not matter what kind of music that is - once you´re skilled in melodies, you´ll also easily figure out what´s right for the type of music you´re doing.

I consider the part of our brain that understands how to come up with a good melody dormant for most people until triggered.

I remember when I was a kid, taking guitar, xylophone and flute lessons, in a slavic way playing very plain things that I was told to play, only understanding how I had to play it together with the other kids at the right time in the song.

When at my grandfathers place, I tried to do what my grandfather did with his grandpiano. Sitting with my hands the right way and moving them around the same way as he did, but I was very well aware that it did not sound good at all.

Perhaps the xylo/flute/guitar-lessons had helped me to hear when it wasn´t sounding good? That I don´t know, but I know that some people are completely tonedef when they´re trying to be musical, but can have a great understanding of when a melody is good when listening to the music of others.

Then I started taking piano lessons when I was like 10, and within a month I had started to write my own music. Not that I knew exactly why it sounded good, but it did indeed sound light years better than when I previously played at my grandfathers piano.

My advise is that you go and get some piano lessons for 6-12 months, and then you´re already much further. I do think that there´s always more to explore , but I think that you won´t need to read much about musical theory (with which I´m actually very nerdy myself) if you wanna stick to EDM only, although there are also artists there who seem to have a deeper understand of writing good songs, but as with most modern Top 40 of today, whether it being pop or rock, sadly you won´t find many rocket scientists - anymore.

Best Regards

Roman Empire

^This is the best advice in the thread.

OP, don't listen to the negativity from some of these posters.
You don't have to be Rachmaninov, but you should definitely learn to play at some level if you want to get anywhere.

[Parduz]

I think that the whole subject is highly subjective.... what i mean (i'm trying to explain difficult things with my poor english, so pls be nice) is that personal skills and talent needs to be taken in account.

About me, i started taking piano lessons around 6 years. I was bored to death by solfeggio, and that "stupid" exercises (my point of view at that time, i'm not saying they are actually stupid) with bland polkas/waltz when i was listening the great music my father plays each sunday morning (Santana, Pink Floyd, Elton John, The Shadows, Procol Harum).... after a couple of years i was captured by Rockets, Jarre, Oldfield and America.... while still playing "stupid" waltz/polkas....
Meanwhile I discovered that i have a natural great "relative ear": once i got a good "connection" between my brain and the piano keys i was able to reproduce whatever song i listen immediatly (perhaps not in the original tone, but chord progression and melody was always correct).
In the end I gave up piano lesson when i was around 11, and kept writing music my whole life (i'm just an hobbyst, i'm not saying i'm so much talented).

Now that i'm 44 y.o., i'd like to learn armonization, melody and orchestration, 'cause my goals and motivations are different and i can stand to the boring part of studying more than when i was not even a teen.

But the main part is still to be able to play an instrument, to "translate" what you have in your head in actual notes. With my relative ear i had an easy task while trying to play what me, or the singer of the band, were humming while writing. Also catching wrong notes, or arranging something different from basic major-minor chords was easy. That's when your talents comes out. Learning to put thoughts in notes is a matter of "speed connecting" your brain to your hands and to your instrument: it could be easy (even if you don't become a suitable live player.... i'm just terrible: my hands are slow as hell) or hard depending on what are your natural skills, but put the right amount of time in praticing and you'll become able to think, invent and arrange music and translate your imagination in actual music.
Grabbing a MIDI file and tampering with is like eating a McDonald hamburger.... it can solve an urgent need, and can also be satisfying, but you'll need real food and you'll get so much satisfaction by cooking it

[thecontrolcentre]

I just see that people's which play on piano for example ... have a more possibilities and they can work faster and more effective .
So I am looking for alternative ways ,
I can play on my midi keyboard some basic covers of favourite tracks but Im too old to seriously learn play piano because my main goal is production + dj

There's your problem right there ... you don't want to learn.

[trimph1]

I just see that people's which play on piano for example ... have a more possibilities and they can work faster and more effective .
So I am looking for alternative ways ,
I can play on my midi keyboard some basic covers of favourite tracks but Im too old to seriously learn play piano because my main goal is production + dj

There's your problem right there ... you don't want to learn.

He does not want to seriously learn...does not mean he does not want to learn. Huge difference there.

I suppose that would mean, to me, that what he is looking at is doing simple melodies/harmony/counterpoint...that type of thing. Vs, say, being a concert pianist.

[jancivil]

- looks like he wannabe avicii. so copy avicii until it's internalized. Seek Bromance xeroxes what it xeroxes. I don't like that at all, but I imagine it didn't involve a lot of angst and 'Tim Berg' picks that type tune up by ear with some facility... so you get your ear together, which involves practice. Making a case for avoiding musical instrument involvement seeks to justify being feckless.