KVR Audio

Zenstation · Post by **Zenstation** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:04 pm

Damn this synth is good! I struggled a bit with the original interface, but after the update (and having spent a while learning FM synthesis in Sytrus), I absolutely love it. I can finally create those old-school EBM basses that I love so much, and they sound really authentic. Honestly, if Togu can charge $60 for TAL-U-NO-LX, you can definitely charge the same amount for Dexed if you want to. Of course I'd much prefer it to stay freeware though, as there aren't many good freeware FM synths out there.

electro · Post by **electro** » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:26 pm

asb2m10 wrote:
pathworker wrote:
dupont wrote:Any news for AU version ?
Last time I looked at the github page I think it is still in the todo list
AU support is already committed in github; if you want to see the current development you need to change to the development branch (right now it is called work-0.8.1). Only code is listed there...

Once a beta builds will be available, I will notify this thread.

rayola1 wrote:are breath control or aftertouch on the way?
0.8.2 will address this (modulation wheel, foot control, *breath control *, aftertouch).

where is the list of outstanding bugs?

asb2m10 · Post by **asb2m10** » Wed Feb 11, 2015 4:24 am

electro wrote:
asb2m10 wrote:
pathworker wrote:
dupont wrote:Any news for AU version ?
Last time I looked at the github page I think it is still in the todo list
AU support is already committed in github; if you want to see the current development you need to change to the development branch (right now it is called work-0.8.1). Only code is listed there...

Once a beta builds will be available, I will notify this thread.

rayola1 wrote:are breath control or aftertouch on the way?
0.8.2 will address this (modulation wheel, foot control, *breath control *, aftertouch).
where is the list of outstanding bugs?

On the Dexed github page, look for the "ISSUE" on the right

pathworker · Post by **pathworker** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:01 am

Started working on an outline of a user guide for Dexed, attached is an image of a possible front cover. feedback/alterations welcome.

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:13 am

Hum... your graphic of the algorithms is tilted to the left. Beware, it's gonna crash on the ground!

pathworker · Post by **pathworker** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:49 am

aaaargh....thanks for the heads up. that WAS a first draft after all.

maybe I will just remove the algorithm strip

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 10:52 am

I always appreciate having a full image of the GUI when I print out a manual and take it with me to read during the day.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:27 am

pathworker wrote:aaaargh....thanks for the heads up. that WAS a first draft after all.

maybe I will just remove the algorithm strip

Just little ideas about the cover. Maybe you can find sine waves image instead of the algorithm strip.
I also suggest the title to be 2 lines like below:

DeXeD [or DeXed] (with bigger font than the second line and Capital D and X!)
The Essential Guide

pathworker · Post by **pathworker** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:45 am

thanks EnGee i'll do a redesign. its not my best skill but hey, gotta start somewhere right?

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Thu Feb 12, 2015 12:13 pm

Thanks to you pathworker for starting this guide

You can leave the cover till the end because you will have many good ideas till then.

syntheticillusion · Post by **syntheticillusion** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 3:01 am

quick feature request just came to me when I went to the bathroom and was hit on the head
and came up with a idea...what if you get a user cart and you can share your user cart by making
presets and adding to the cart until all 32 patches are full then you can make a new user cart as
user cart 2, then share the syx of it or maybe a special user cart extension, when this becomes
version 2.5 I hope there is much user request implemented into dexed, like skinnable UI and
perfect algo's for 6 and others that were mentioned before as not working to the original myself
personally think that dexed 0.6.0 nailed it and has since then, I remember dexed when it was
the JUCE UI, I used it but now that 0.8.0 is stable, I think extra user carts should implemented.
just my two cents,
Joel.

electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:49 am

why do we need more than the DX7 manual?

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:23 am

electro wrote:why do we need more than the DX7 manual?

Maybe because the GUI is not like the DX7 and therefore the DX7 manual does not map nicely to the user experience with the GUI.

I like to find original manuals for emulated synths, it helps to get the most of it. But there's always small (or even big) differences in an emulation that are not covered by the original's manual.

Seems pretty obvious to me

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:40 am

I just checked the latest verson of Dexed. The new GUI is nicer than the old one and Dexed seems to be a nice emulation of the DX7 with import of Sysex etc.

Anyway FM is still difficult for me and personally for doing my own patches i still ptefer the interface of FM8.
What is especially confusing in the DX7 and also Dexed is having Envelope rates instead of times which means bigger rate values result in shorter envelope times. In FM8 you got times instead and could also edit the envelope in a grahical display.
In FM8 it is also nice that you could add operators if and how needed (including feedback and also multiple different feedbacks) and not really have to use fixed algorithms while there are also presets for that. This is very helpful when starting from a simple setup with 2 operator and want to get more complex step by step.
Also the spectrum/waveform display in FM8 could be helul to get a visula feedback on how certain parameters affect the resulting sound.
Besides that there are also lots of additional features not included with the real DX7 (e.g. additional waveforms besides Sine, Unison, FXs, programmable Apeggiator etc.)

I also like using Tome2 Nemesis which besides offering a more simple approach to FM offers the opportunity to use "real" FM (besides the phase modulation like it was used in the DX7 and also several other synthesis modes including phase distortion etc.) and using an almost unlimited amount f waveforms (including import of WAV files and creating your own with a simple additive editor). Having the ability to use more complex waveforms instead of only Sines (like in DX7 and Dexed) could offer a way to produce new result more easily and could also reduce the need for having more operators.
While Nemesis could also do DX7 like FM sounds i would not call it an emulation. It is a different approach on FM. IMO it is nice having either FM8 or Dexed for a more "traditional " apparoach (or even both) while also using Nemesis at the same time.
With analog/subtractive synths people usally have/use lots of different synths with a similar synthesis method so why not doing the same with FM synths? Not every FM synth has to be a perfect replication of the DX7 (while FM8 could do that quite well but also much more).

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:51 am

You can't really compare FM8 and Dexed, Ingo. Dexed was meant to be 1:1 emulation of DX7 engine. FM8 is not quite there - there are things missing when you import DX7 sysex, and it's quite obvious. As a standalone FM synth with a host of new features, FM8 is great, of course. But for straight DX7 emulation, Dexed pretty much kills it.

Free FM Synthesizer Dexed (VST Windows and Mac)