Harmor = best additive resynthesizer?

[Wildfunk]

Okay, I gotta ask. What exactly is "proper" programming?

Bumping an image into the resynthesis and doing some modulations is NOT programming. Only lazy people or newbies do this.

I'm talking about the osc parts here... changing single timbres, drawing own filter shapes, using the harmonizer etc.

I mean you've called my demo sounds "basic" but i'm sure without resynthesis you will fail completely on Harmor

[Wildfunk]

Okay, I gotta ask. What exactly is "proper" programming?

Certainly not experimenting with spectral resynthesis! It's forbidden because it's not serious enough

Depends on the result... but i mean if someone just bumps random (!) sounds into the resynthesis... it can't be good at the end. This way of designing sounds is really just "try and error".

[BBFG#]

'Trial and error' is part of the scientific method.
And where much of man's evolution stems from in adaptation.

[wagtunes]

Okay, I gotta ask. What exactly is "proper" programming?

Certainly not experimenting with spectral resynthesis! It's forbidden because it's not serious enough

True story. I was brand new to synths. This was 1979. I had just bought a Moog Sonic Six which I guess was the Mini Moog's little brother. It had 2 OSC's, one filter, a couple of LFOs, no ADSR (just AD) and a ring modulator. I think it also had something for external input. Don't really remember because it was so long ago. I think the synth is still in my basement but I'm not sure.

Anyway, I brought it home, opened it up (the keyboard and panel were attached and it opened like a suitcase) and looked at all the knobs and sliders and didn't have a freaking clue what to do.

So I just started turning dials and moving sliders up and down while playing the keyboard.

That was how I learned synthesis. Some of the sounds I made sounded like something out of a 50s sci fi. Others were actually musical, to a degree.

Honestly, I never really loved the synth. And as the years went by, the sliders for the filter became very noisy and quite honestly, the thing sounded like crap. But it gave me the start I needed and without it, I wouldn't have moved on to bigger and better and actually learned about oscillators and filters.

36 years later I have yet to meet a synth I couldn't master. I'm still looking for a really interesting modularin a VST but I fear that day is never going to come. The few I have a like but they're still short of what I'm looking for.

If we didn't have experimentation (listen to Eric Persing's story about how he made the Hoover sound for Roland) we wouldn't have some of the synth sounds that we have today.

But like I said, I don't take this stuff personally. Different strokes for different folks.

Not everybody is gonna love what you do.

[Wildfunk]

'Trial and error' is part of the scientific method. And where much of man's evolution stems from in adaptation.

Lame excuse for people who don't want to dig deeper into Harmor and just choose the easiest way

[Neon Breath]

'Trial and error' is part of the scientific method. And where much of man's evolution stems from in adaptation.

Lame excuse for people who don't want to dig deeper into Harmor and just choose the easiest way

Lame excuse for people who want to stay comfortable in their slippers and take the safest route.

[wagtunes]

Okay, I gotta ask. What exactly is "proper" programming?

Bumping an image into the resynthesis and doing some modulations is NOT programming. Only lazy people or newbies do this.

I'm talking about the osc parts here... changing single timbres, drawing own filter shapes, using the harmonizer etc.

I mean you've called my demo sounds "basic" but i'm sure without resynthesis you will fail completely on Harmor

Well, there you go making assumptions again. So let me make sure I understand this. Without using resynthesis and drawing my own waveforms (things that I plan on doing anyway) I will fail at Harmor.

Man, that is a very interesting and narrow minded take on synthesis.

Curious. Does the same thing apply to somebody programming an FM synth? Do they have to pick out a particular algo and do certain tweaks in order to call it programming or can they actually choose an algo randomly and experiment with some odd settings and still be called a programmer?

I am really getting an education today on programming synths, something I've been doing for 36 years.

Please, tell me more.

[highkoo]

If someones ideal is warm house pads and basses, maybe Harmor is not the best choice of synth

Why not? Of course you have to program Harmor properly and not just bump images into...

Man, youve got a real issue with 'bumping images'.

So, are all synths the same then? All are perfectly equally suited for every task? No feature set or workflow lends itself more towards one type of sound than another?

Im not really convinced you have enough perspective to be talking quite so much shit.
Of course, maybe I dont either.

[Wildfunk]

'Trial and error' is part of the scientific method. And where much of man's evolution stems from in adaptation.

Lame excuse for people who don't want to dig deeper into Harmor and just choose the easiest way

Lame excuse for people who want to stay comfortable in their slippers and take the safest route.

Safest route... lol! I've explained it to you already... i really program Harmor and not just use sines and saws or drop images into the synth. Keep on defending lazy people producing shit soundbanks...

[BBFG#]

'Trial and error' is part of the scientific method. And where much of man's evolution stems from in adaptation.

Lame excuse for people who don't want to dig deeper into Harmor and just choose the easiest way

TBH, I haven't used it and do the more 'traditional ways'. And knowing it's there now as this discussion has brought out does show I could be lame about it if I decided to never use it. But now I will exercise some 'trial and error' with it and expand the possibilities (or not). But at least not using it will no longer be a handicap in the unknown.

[Wildfunk]

Im not really convinced you have enough perspective to be talking quite so much shit.

/ignore

[highkoo]

Mkay.

[Wildfunk]

TBH, I haven't used it and do the more 'traditional ways'. And knowing it's there now as this discussion has brought out does show I could be lame about it if I decided to never use it. But now I will exercise some 'trial and error' with it and expand the possibilities (or not). But at least not using it will no longer be a handicap in the unknown.

I never said "don't use the resynthesis or you are a lamer"! I'm just against the abuse of the resynthesis (stupid pads, wobbles, ...). This feature was made to resynthesize an existing sound (and make it better), not putting random images into the section and do random modulations (never heard any good result of this "technique").

[Wildfunk]

And to answer the question of the op: YES, Harmor is the best resynthesizer and additive synth! I've tried them all (hard- and software).

[BBFG#]

TBH, I haven't used it and do the more 'traditional ways'. And knowing it's there now as this discussion has brought out does show I could be lame about it if I decided to never use it. But now I will exercise some 'trial and error' with it and expand the possibilities (or not). But at least not using it will no longer be a handicap in the unknown.

I never said "don't use the resynthesis or you are a lamer"! I'm just against the abuse of the resynthesis (stupid pads, wobbles, ...). This feature was made to resynthesize an existing sound (and make it better), not putting random images into the section and do random modulations (never heard any good result of this "technique").

Not a 'fan' of 'wobbles' either.
(I think a person that likes them probably has a rehab in their future.)