Harmor = best additive resynthesizer?

[quantum7]

I really feel fortunate to own both Harmor and Loom- they both are incredible.

No, only Harmor is incredible... Loom is just "ok"

LOL

I prefer Loom, can do much more musically with it (but not resynthesis - then I have Alchemy which I prefer to Harmor as well).

Ya, Alchemy is incredible. Hopefully someone will eventually release Alchemy 2.0

[Neon Breath]

No, only Harmor is incredible... Loom is just "ok"

So you tried it?

[Neon Breath]

@Wildfunk, what things or features you didn't like in it to say it's just ok? Demo sounds seem pretty decent and solid.

[Wildfunk]

So you tried it?

No, i just judged by the audio demos.

Also i'm not part of the target audience:

"350+ professional, tweakable patches that include wobbles, pads, bass, soundscapes, and more."

Wobbles, soundscapes, ...

@Wildfunk, what things or features you didn't like in it to say it's just ok?

I can't edit the timbres. So it's just a toy like Razor.

[quantum7]

@Wildfunk, what things or features you didn't like in it to say it's just ok?

I can't edit the timbres. So it's just a toy like Prism.

Well, that "toy" will sound great on my next album.

[Echoes in the Attic]

And regarding Harmor VS Loom, the OP asked 'best additive resynthesizer'. As far as I know, Loom doesn't resynthesize, or I am wrong?

... the thread title wasn't "best resynthesizer", it was "best additive synth".

Actually, it is "best additive resynthesizer".

Right you are! Fail on my part!

[Echoes in the Attic]

So you tried it?

No, i just judged by the audio demos.

Also i'm not part of the target audience:

"350+ professional, tweakable patches that include wobbles, pads, bass, soundscapes, and more."

Wobbles, soundscapes, ...

Haha, just because a synth doesn't list deep house chords or stabs, you're not part of the target audience?

@Wildfunk, what things or features you didn't like in it to say it's just ok?

I can't edit the timbres. So it's just a toy like Razor.

Man, personally I also prefer the sound of Harmor based on audio examples but this kind of post is just embarrassing. People make music with both Razor and Loom and they are clearly decent tools. Just because one missing feature apparently makes it unappealing to you doesn't make it a toy. You seriously want to troll that hard with your business brand name? That's nuts.

[EnGee]

Man, personally I also prefer the sound of Harmor based on audio examples but this kind of post is just embarrassing. People make music with both Razor and Loom and they are clearly decent tools. Just because one missing feature apparently makes it unappealing to you doesn't make it a toy. You seriously want to troll that hard with your business brand name? That's nuts.

+1

Some people here have a very high esteem of themselves!! I think it is good for business to be a humble professional a little bit! Anyway, it is a free world!

Last time I installed iLOK license manager, my computer didn't spit on me! I don't know why it frighten some guys here!! It is just a service like NI, Arturia, Syncrosoft ..etc. The company has a right to protect its products from piracy. Actually I feel sorry for Image Line because their products are easy target and I won't be surprised if they follow in the steps of others.

For Resynthesis comparison there were a thread few years ago about comparing mainly Alchemy, Harmor and Vertigo. There were other comparisons also with Cube and Posiedon (I think). IL Morphine had the worst resynthesis or from the worst ones. As I remember it was head to head, Alchemy and Harmor in this respect.
Here I found it:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=328210

I love all the three (Loom, Harmor and Razor). Everyone has its strengths above the others. For me, it is like this:
Razor:
+ Incredible big sound
+ Easy programming
+ Great interface
- CPU usage is higher than others

Loom:
+ Great sounds especially the evolving sounds
+ The morphing is incredible
+ Great design and easy to program
- Not very cpu friendly but better than Razor

Harmor:
+ Great sound
+ CPU usage is low (but it can be high when choosing highest quality)
+ Very capable and deep
+ From the best Resynthesizers
- Steep learning curve

[quantum7]

I love all the three (Loom, Harmor and Razor). Everyone has its strengths above the others. For me, it is like this:
Razor:
+ Incredible big sound
+ Easy programming
+ Great interface
- CPU usage is higher than others

Loom:
+ Great sounds especially the evolving sounds
+ The morphing is incredible
+ Great design and easy to program
- Not very cpu friendly but better than Razor

Harmor:
+ Great sound
+ CPU usage is low (but it can be high when choosing highest quality)
+ Very capable and deep
+ From the best Resynthesizers
- Steep learning curve

Totally agree with you!

[quantum7]

Last time I installed iLOK license manager, my computer didn't spit on me! I don't know why it frighten some guys here!! It is just a service like NI, Arturia, Syncrosoft ..etc. The company has a right to protect its products from piracy. Actually I feel sorry for Image Line because their products are easy target and I won't be surprised if they follow in the steps of others.

I also feel bad for Image Line because their stuff is cracked EVERYWHERE on the Web....but it's their choice to not use better protection. A majority of software that uses iLOK (especially iLOK2) and PACE are not cracked. I'm probably the opposite of some, because I actually do NOT like supporting developers as much when their stuff is so easy to crack. I prefer buying software that is NOT PIRATED. Personally, it makes me feel better to have access to sounds that are not in the hands of every bum who uses pirated software in an attempt to compete with my business.

[Neon Breath]

So you tried it?

No, i just judged by the audio demos.

Really? Then you don't know what you are talking about, sorry. I'll listen & weigh up the pros and cons from people who actually know what they are talking about, which means who actually are using it for real. Your credibility is totally inexistent on this since you haven't tried it, just as someone saying he doesn’t like peaches but never ever have eaten any.

[chk071]

Last time I installed iLOK license manager, my computer didn't spit on me! I don't know why it frighten some guys here!! It is just a service like NI, Arturia, Syncrosoft ..etc. The company has a right to protect its products from piracy. Actually I feel sorry for Image Line because their products are easy target and I won't be surprised if they follow in the steps of others.

I also feel bad for Image Line because their stuff is cracked EVERYWHERE on the Web....but it's their choice to not use better protection. A majority of software that uses iLOK (especially iLOK2) and PACE are not cracked. I'm probably the opposite of some, because I actually do NOT like supporting developers as much when their stuff is so easy to crack. I prefer buying software that is NOT PIRATED. Personally, it makes me feel better to have access to sounds that are not in the hands of every bum who uses pirated software in an attempt to compete with my business.

Actually, from a logical point of view, you should support exactly the companies or dev's whose stuff is pirated much, as they will suffer the most from loss of sales. But then, hard to figure out whether the people who pirated would have bought it in the first place, so even that allegedly logical view point may be a flawed one.

[Ah_Dziz]

While the quality of the resynthesis in harmor is better than alchemy alchemy still gives a far wider range in what you can do to the resythesized result. I played with both side by side today for a while and alchemy inches by as far as results are concerned. Harmor is more fun to make purely synthesized sounds with though and offers a modular signal path and more flexible "filters". If the OP or anybody else is looking for resynthesis, I would recommend grabbing an alchemy license as people jump ship due to the demise of Camel Audio. If they are really gone for good this will be the last chance to get alchemy which is an overall more flexible and powerful tool for resynthesis while harmor will be available for the foreseeable future. There are also some amazing options for additive resynthesis in environments like csound and supercollider that can go farther than any prepackaged synth. They are a little bit deep for most folks, but so are most of the cool things that can be done with resynthesis.

[quantum7]

Last time I installed iLOK license manager, my computer didn't spit on me! I don't know why it frighten some guys here!! It is just a service like NI, Arturia, Syncrosoft ..etc. The company has a right to protect its products from piracy. Actually I feel sorry for Image Line because their products are easy target and I won't be surprised if they follow in the steps of others.

I also feel bad for Image Line because their stuff is cracked EVERYWHERE on the Web....but it's their choice to not use better protection. A majority of software that uses iLOK (especially iLOK2) and PACE are not cracked. I'm probably the opposite of some, because I actually do NOT like supporting developers as much when their stuff is so easy to crack. I prefer buying software that is NOT PIRATED. Personally, it makes me feel better to have access to sounds that are not in the hands of every bum who uses pirated software in an attempt to compete with my business.

Actually, from a logical point of view, you should support exactly the companies or dev's whose stuff is pirated much, as they will suffer the most from loss of sales. But then, hard to figure out whether the people who pirated would have bought it in the first place, so even that allegedly logical view point may be a flawed one.

I was of course just trying to make a point because I buy software that sounds good to me regardless of what protection they use. Some people punish software developers that use certain copy protections, but I like to help offset that by rewarding developers that have to spend more money for PACE or iLOK protection. Those developers that do not want to see all their hard work being spread all over the Web for the bum-freeloaders actually get punished by a small number of users (mostly hobbyists I'm guessing) for having the nerve to use iLOK or PACE protection. I just want to show them my support for them wanting to protect their right to earn a living.

[BBFG#]

I'm not seeing fear toward PACE. Just disgust.
It is the only one demanding to run in background services and make a part of your computer work for it continually. This is the nature of a parasite. That's all.