Harmor = best additive resynthesizer?

[wagtunes]

Hey guys, I think I found a bug in Harmor and I wonder if somebody here who has the synth can confirm this for me. Either it's a bug or it's just a function of the synth that I don't particular agree with. It has to do with the harm dial. Essentially what I want to do is modulate it in real time with my mod wheel. Now, I can assign MIDI CC1 to it and it works fine. The problem is, if I do it this way for A, I can't also assign CC 1 to the harm dial for B. So I have to assign another CC control for B which is awkward in real time playing.

So I tried to go the X,Y,Z route. This is what I did and you can duplicate it to see if you get the same results.

1) Pull up the default patch upon load.

2) Right click on the harm dial and choose "Edit Articulator"

3) Replace envelope with Modulation Y Mapping.

4) Go to the mod matrix. Y should be assigned to CC 1 (mod wheel) by default. But if it's not, assign it to the mod wheel.

5) Bring the line for Modulation Y Mapping down on the far left hand side so that the line ramps up from left to right.

6) Play a note and while holding it down, move the mod wheel up.

You will hear that there is no change in the sound. Not only that but if I manually move the harm dial with my mouse there is also no change in sound whereas before doing any of this there was clearly a change in sound by either manually moving it or by assigning CC1 to it.

So the modulation Y mapping is overriding anything that can be done to modulate the harm parameter.

If somebody can test this on their system and get back to me I'd appreciate it.

[Satch1]

wagtunes, once you've assigned a parameter to the x,y,z pad, have you set the parameters knob to the desired maximum level you want the modulation to take it to?

[wagtunes]

wagtunes, once you've assigned a parameter to the x,y,z pad, have you set the parameters knob to the desired maximum level you want the modulation to take it to?

Interesting thing however. Filter cutoff does not work like this. You set the cutoff to the minimum value you want and then you adjust the Y axis to the maximum you want it to go to. So these two parameters do not work the same way and it's kind of counter intuitive. I expected, based on how the filter works, for the harm parameter to work the same way.

And of course forget the manual which is almost a complete waste of text. They really need to get somebody to write that thing who knows how to explain what the functions actually do and how they work. I gave up after one read through and just dove into this thing on my own.

Anyway, thanks for that. Now I have to figure out which parameters have to be set to max (like harm) and which ones have to be set to min (like filter cutoff)

Some consistency would be nice.

[Wildfunk]

Haha, just because a synth doesn't list deep house chords or stabs, you're not part of the target audience?

They list wobbles, pads and soundscapes first... i mean this says it all. I don't need chords but i'm not part of their target audience.

People make music with both Razor and Loom and they are clearly decent tools. Just because one missing feature apparently makes it unappealing to you doesn't make it a toy.

For me they are TOYS. Just accept it. And i never heard any good sound out of Razor, only bullshit.

You seriously want to troll that hard with your business brand name? That's nuts.

I don't troll, i just say the truth. Many of you aren't able to handle this

[Wildfunk]

I thought this topic was "Harmor = best additive resynthesizer?" Shouldn't we be allowed to mention alternatives then?

Is Loom a resynthesizer? Not really! So it's out of competition here.

Some people here have a very high esteem of themselves!! I think it is good for business to be a humble professional a little bit!

It's just about Harmor... not me.

I love all the three (Loom, Harmor and Razor). Everyone has its strengths above the others.

That's why you keep secret that Harmor is the only one who can edit the timbres And that's why Loom and Razor are just toys for me. Razor can't even import single-cycle-waves.

I also feel bad for Image Line because their stuff is cracked EVERYWHERE on the Web....but it's their choice to not use better protection. A majority of software that uses iLOK (especially iLOK2) and PACE are not cracked.

Who cares? Just look at Loom: No demo available because they are angry that somebody could crack it. That's why Harmor is a bestseller/popular and Loom just runs a poor second.

[Satch1]

@ wagtunes, you're welcome. Yes it is kind of counter intuitive to do it this way,but I suppose you soon get used to it... and yes the manual isn't a great help, to say the least

I'm thinking it works this way for parameters like the Harm Amount so you can modulate it with an envelope and then have velocity control the modulation amount, whereas with the filter it has a seperate envelope amount knob instead.

[wagtunes]

@ wagtunes, you're welcome. Yes it is kind of counter intuitive to do it this way,but I suppose you soon get used to it... and yes the manual isn't a great help, to say the least

I'm thinking it works this way for parameters like the Harm Amount so you can also modulate it with an envelope and then have velocity control the modulation amount, whereas with the filter it has a seperate envelope amount knob instead.

Makes sense. How long have you had Harmor? What do you think of it?

Any tips you can give me that I obviously won't find in the manual or likely figure out for myself?

[Wildfunk]

And of course forget the manual which is almost a complete waste of text. They really need to get somebody to write that thing who knows how to explain what the functions actually do and how they work.

Maybe you should start writing a Harmor book instead of doing a soundset

[wagtunes]

And of course forget the manual which is almost a complete waste of text. They really need to get somebody to write that thing who knows how to explain what the functions actually do and how they work.

Maybe you should start writing a Harmor book instead of doing a soundset

Oh believe me, if I had the time I would. That manual is a disgrace. And not only would I do a manual but a whole series of instructional videos, something this synth is seriously lacking.

[Satch1]

@ wagtunes, you're welcome. Yes it is kind of counter intuitive to do it this way,but I suppose you soon get used to it... and yes the manual isn't a great help, to say the least

I'm thinking it works this way for parameters like the Harm Amount so you can also modulate it with an envelope and then have velocity control the modulation amount, whereas with the filter it has a seperate envelope amount knob instead.

Makes sense. How long have you had Harmor? What do you think of it?

Any tips you can give me that I obviously won't find in the manual or likely figure out for myself?

I've had for maybe a couple of years or so but haven't used it anywhere near enough (too many synths, too little time ). I have learnt my way around it though and this thing is deep and definitely unique. You can sculpt your sounds in some serious detail. I love it's unique take on unison. You can use the Harmonic unison pitch envelope to vary how much unison Detune is applied to different parts of the spectrum. So for instance you could set it up so the lower partials have no Detune but the higher up the spectrum you go the detuning becomes stronger. But you can have any shape you want... really cool!

[wagtunes]

@ wagtunes, you're welcome. Yes it is kind of counter intuitive to do it this way,but I suppose you soon get used to it... and yes the manual isn't a great help, to say the least

I'm thinking it works this way for parameters like the Harm Amount so you can also modulate it with an envelope and then have velocity control the modulation amount, whereas with the filter it has a seperate envelope amount knob instead.

Makes sense. How long have you had Harmor? What do you think of it?

Any tips you can give me that I obviously won't find in the manual or likely figure out for myself?

I've had for maybe a couple of years or so but haven't used it anywhere near enough (too many synths, too little time ). I have learnt my way around it though and this thing is deep and definitely unique. You can sculpt your sounds in some serious detail. I love it's unique take on unison. You can use the Harmonic unison pitch envelope to vary how much unison Detune is applied to different parts of the spectrum. So for instance you could set it up so the lower partials have no Detune but the higher up the spectrum you go the detuning becomes stronger. But you can have any shape you want... really cool!

Yeah, I see that. This thing is mindblowingly flexible as far as modulation and control goes.

I know I'm going to have a lot of fun with it once I figure everything out.

[Satch1]

Here's some Harmor tutorials on YouTube I've watched by SeamlessR. He explains things nicely.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLG ... U3jGkyyAbb

[wagtunes]

Here's some Harmor tutorials on YouTube I've watched by SeamlessR. He explains things nicely.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLG ... U3jGkyyAbb

I am well familiar with his tutorials. The guy is obviously very bright. A lot brighter than I am. Sometimes I watch his stuff and almost have no idea what he's talking about.

I did watch one of his on Harmor. I have to look and see if he has others.

[Satch1]

Here's some Harmor tutorials on YouTube I've watched by SeamlessR. He explains things nicely.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLG ... U3jGkyyAbb

I am well familiar with his tutorials. The guy is obviously very bright. A lot brighter than I am. Sometimes I watch his stuff and almost have no idea what he's talking about.

I did watch one of his on Harmor. I have to look and see if he has others.

Click the link... the page is filled with them

Yeah he knows his stuff.

[Wildfunk]

Btw it helps a lot to turn on the spectral view in Harmor when you experimenting with features you don't unterstand by ear