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quantum7 · Post by **quantum7** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:43 pm

Wildfunk wrote:
quantum7 wrote:
quantum7 wrote:I also feel bad for Image Line because their stuff is cracked EVERYWHERE on the Web....but it's their choice to not use better protection. A majority of software that uses iLOK (especially iLOK2) and PACE are not cracked.
Who cares? Just look at Loom: No demo available because they are angry that somebody could crack it. That's why Harmor is a bestseller/popular and Loom just runs a poor second.

I'm guessing then that you have the sales numbers to back up your assertion? Please let us know how many copies of Harmor have sold vs. Loom. Thanks!

Wildfunk wrote:
quantum7 wrote:I thought this topic was "Harmor = best additive resynthesizer?" Shouldn't we be allowed to mention alternatives then?
Is Loom a resynthesizer? Not really! So it's out of competition here.

I'm guessing you have more knowledge than I on this type of synthesis (I'm being serious- I'm 90% composer / 10% synthesist, so I will admit that my knowledge in that field is limited). So, if Loom is not quite in the same playing field as Harmor, why spend the time trashing it? You could have just mentioned many posts ago that it indeed was not a "resynthesizer".

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 6:10 pm

quantum7 wrote:I'm guessing then that you have the sales numbers to back up your assertion? Please let us know how many copies of Harmor have sold vs. Loom.

Lol, do you really compare Harmor with Loom? I mean Harmor is a flagship synth since 2011... just look how many threads about Harmor are on the internet and how "many" (lol) about Loom.

quantum7 wrote:So, if Loom is not quite in the same playing field as Harmor, why spend the time trashing it? You could have just mentioned many posts ago that it indeed was not a "resynthesizer".

Yep and that's why i've said you should stop spamming the thread with Loom here

quantum7 · Post by **quantum7** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:01 pm

Wildfunk wrote:
quantum7 wrote:I'm guessing then that you have the sales numbers to back up your assertion? Please let us know how many copies of Harmor have sold vs. Loom.
Lol, do you really compare Harmor with Loom? I mean Harmor is a flagship synth since 2011... just look how many threads about Harmor are on the internet and how "many" (lol) about Loom.

quantum7 wrote:So, if Loom is not quite in the same playing field as Harmor, why spend the time trashing it? You could have just mentioned many posts ago that it indeed was not a "resynthesizer".
Yep and that's why i've said you should stop spamming the thread with Loom here

You seem to be the only one who thinks that mentioning Loom is spamming, as several others have also commented on it, as well as Alchemy... since they all are somewhat comparable to Harmor. Harmor is a "Flagship synth"? To each his own I guess. It's a great piece of software though, and I guess from a Fruity Loops perspective, you may be right. Please do not think I'm trying to say anything bad about Image Line though, because they do make my favorite vocoder of all time, Vocodex....which is absolutely incredible IMO, the best software the Fruity guys ever created.

More off topic- I'm finally going to try Image Line's Maximus and Sytrus today and am looking very forward to it. IL does make some fantastic software.

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:17 pm

quantum7 wrote:You seem to be the only one who thinks that mentioning Loom is spamming, as several others have also commented on it, as well as Alchemy... since they all are somewhat comparable to Harmor.

But Alchemy can do resynthesis, Loom can't! THAT'S the difference! So stop spamming finally!

quantum7 wrote:Harmor is a "Flagship synth"?

Of course it is... and it's really funny when you try to compare Loom with Harmor

quantum7 wrote:It's a great piece of software though, and I guess from a Fruity Loops perspective, you may be right.

It's called FL Studio nowadays.

quantum7 · Post by **quantum7** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:31 pm

Wildfunk wrote:
quantum7 wrote:You seem to be the only one who thinks that mentioning Loom is spamming, as several others have also commented on it, as well as Alchemy... since they all are somewhat comparable to Harmor.
But Alchemy can do resynthesis, Loom can't! THAT'S the difference! So stop spamming finally!

quantum7 wrote:Harmor is a "Flagship synth"?
Of course it is... and it's really funny when you try to compare Loom with Harmor

They both do Additive synthesis, so I respectfully disagree with you that mentioning Loom is "spamming" this thread. To some it may also be "funny when you try to compare Loom with Harmor", as some may find Loom superior in many ways to Harmor. It's all a matter of taste, and no one's opinion should be ridiculed or labeled as "spamming".

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:42 pm

quantum7 wrote:They both do Additive synthesis, so I respectfully disagree with you that mentioning Loom is "spamming" this thread.

Once again: This thread is about additive resynthesis!!!

quantum7 wrote:To some it may also be "funny when you try to compare Loom with Harmor", as some may find Loom superior in many ways to Harmor. It's all a matter of taste...

It's not about your taste, it's about the features! Harmor is a Porsche while Loom is just a Ford. Got it?!

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:44 pm

Wildfunk wrote:
quantum7 wrote:They both do Additive synthesis, so I respectfully disagree with you that mentioning Loom is "spamming" this thread.
Once again: This thread is about additive resynthesis!!!

quantum7 wrote:To some it may also be "funny when you try to compare Loom with Harmor", as some may find Loom superior in many ways to Harmor. It's all a matter of taste...
It's not about your taste, it's about the features! Harmor is a Porsche while Loom is just a Ford. Got it?!

I'm curious about something. Since you seem to have very high standards when it comes to synths, are there any other synths that you DO own besides Harmor that you would recommend to somebody?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:49 pm

Wildfunk wrote:But Alchemy can do resynthesis, Loom can't!

Would you care to explain how the Wave module's operation in Loom fails to count as resynthesis, given that it certainly appears to converts a wave file into a partial structure with a defined number of bands that the rest of Loom's modules, which all appear to operate within the FFT domain, can operate on.

The scientific definition you're using for 'resynthesis' would be useful here.

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:03 pm

wagtunes wrote:I'm curious about something. Since you seem to have very high standards when it comes to synths, are there any other synths that you DO own besides Harmor that you would recommend to somebody?

No! Harmor was my last synth purchase. All the other (new) synths have to compete with it. Since 2011 no other synth has convinced me.

Ah_Dziz · Post by **Ah_Dziz** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:37 pm

I hadn't ever looked at loom until I saw it mentioned in this thread. It definitely does additive resynthesis though so I don't see how it doesn't fit into this discussion. It actually seems pretty neat. I would demo it if that was a thing that could be done.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:39 pm

Wildfunk wrote:
wagtunes wrote:I'm curious about something. Since you seem to have very high standards when it comes to synths, are there any other synths that you DO own besides Harmor that you would recommend to somebody?
No! Harmor was my last synth purchase. All the other (new) synths have to compete with it. Since 2011 no other synth has convinced me.

How many ad-blockers do you use?

Seriously, Serum (for example) is quite tempting but it's not an additive synth, of course.

quantum7 · Post by **quantum7** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:42 pm

Wildfunk wrote:
quantum7 wrote:They both do Additive synthesis, so I respectfully disagree with you that mentioning Loom is "spamming" this thread.
It's not about your taste, it's about the features! Harmor is a Porsche while Loom is just a Ford. Got it?!

Porsche and Ford, huh? Thank you for showing us your true colors and knowledge....or lack of rather. I realize that you are most likely very young, but if you want your sample pack business to thrive, you may want to avoid acting the way you are on this thread. Very unprofessional. I'm really trying to help you.

quantum7 · Post by **quantum7** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:48 pm

Ah_Dziz wrote:I hadn't ever looked at loom until I saw it mentioned in this thread. It definitely does additive resynthesis though so I don't see how it doesn't fit into this discussion. It actually seems pretty neat. I would demo it if that was a thing that could be done.

Well, according to Mr. Wildfunk, Loom is just a "Ford", but for the large amount of working musicians who like "Fords", Loom will soon have a playable demo available for those of us lowly people who like "Fords".

quantum7 · Post by **quantum7** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:53 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
Wildfunk wrote:But Alchemy can do resynthesis, Loom can't!
Would you care to explain how the Wave module's operation in Loom fails to count as resynthesis, given that it certainly appears to converts a wave file into a partial structure with a defined number of bands that the rest of Loom's modules, which all appear to operate within the FFT domain, can operate on.

The scientific definition you're using for 'resynthesis' would be useful here.

I seriously wouldn't waste your time with Wildfunk on this thread. According to him, "Harmor is a Porsche and Loom is a Ford". I'm afraid that is all your going to get from him unfortunately. He seems quite the expert.

dmbaer · Post by **dmbaer** » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:58 pm

Satch1 wrote:Here's some Harmor tutorials on YouTube I've watched by SeamlessR. He explains things nicely.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLG ... U3jGkyyAbb

Thanks for this, Satch1. I had no idea this series of tutorials even existed.