Hm... the unit/fx orders are also "modular"Tricky-Loops wrote:From what I see, Loom is completely different to Harmor, it has more a modular approach.
Sure BUT how to (re)create e.g. the M1 organ on Loom (without resynthesis)? In Harmor i draw 4 timbres and add a pluck, done! While the Loom guy plays the "trial and error"-game... it's the same with Razor.Tricky-Loops wrote:Harmor seems to have much more features but that doesn't mean that you cannot make good compositions with Loom.
LOLwhyterabbyt wrote:Of course a VW Beetle is technically a Porsche and an AC Cobra is a Ford, so the comparison was as ill-considered as the logic of trying to prevent any discussion of using anything except Harmor for a purpose he was opposed to using Harmor for.quantum7 wrote: instead all you have for all of us who are interested is, "Porsche and Ford".
I do like Porsche, but man, the Ford Cobra is a beast of a muscle-car. 
THANK YOU MR. WILDFUNK!!!! That's a little more along the line of where this thread should be heading. Again, I'm betting you indeed do have more knowledge than I on the matter. I would love to hear more on Harmor's synthesis technique.Wildfunk wrote:Hm... the unit/fx orders are also "modular"Tricky-Loops wrote:From what I see, Loom is completely different to Harmor, it has more a modular approach.
Sure BUT how to (re)create e.g. the M1 organ on Loom (without resynthesis)? In Harmor i draw 4 timbres and add a pluck, done! While the Loom guy plays the "trial and error"-game... it's the same with Razor.Tricky-Loops wrote:Harmor seems to have much more features but that doesn't mean that you cannot make good compositions with Loom.
This thread was started to talk about experimental and drone sounds via resynthesis. Since you were leaving, you might want to start a completely different thread for discussing recreating existing patches without resynthesis.Wildfunk wrote:Sure BUT how to (re)create e.g. the M1 organ on Loom (without resynthesis)? In Harmor i draw 4 timbres and add a pluck, done! While the Loom guy plays the "trial and error"-game... it's the same with Razor.
I'd like to hear more too... I am awaiting Harmor for OSX (ready, not incomplete alpha version). It seems like a very interesting synth that I wished had a Mac version since it came out.quantum7 wrote:THANK YOU MR. WILDFUNK!!!! That's a little more along the line of where this thread should be heading. Again, I'm betting you indeed do have more knowledge than I on the matter. I would love to hear more on Harmor's synthesis technique.Wildfunk wrote:Hm... the unit/fx orders are also "modular"Tricky-Loops wrote:From what I see, Loom is completely different to Harmor, it has more a modular approach.
Sure BUT how to (re)create e.g. the M1 organ on Loom (without resynthesis)? In Harmor i draw 4 timbres and add a pluck, done! While the Loom guy plays the "trial and error"-game... it's the same with Razor.Tricky-Loops wrote:Harmor seems to have much more features but that doesn't mean that you cannot make good compositions with Loom.
There is no trial and error, you have just as much control over timbres as you do in Harmor. There are also 2 dedicated organ modules.Wildfunk wrote:Hm... the unit/fx orders are also "modular"Tricky-Loops wrote:From what I see, Loom is completely different to Harmor, it has more a modular approach.
Sure BUT how to (re)create e.g. the M1 organ on Loom (without resynthesis)? In Harmor i draw 4 timbres and add a pluck, done! While the Loom guy plays the "trial and error"-game... it's the same with Razor.Tricky-Loops wrote:Harmor seems to have much more features but that doesn't mean that you cannot make good compositions with Loom.
It was the predecessor of Harmor. Along the same lines but much less complex. Then before that there was Ogun (which is amazing).quantum7 wrote:On a slightly OT, Harmless by Image Line- is that also worth checking out, or is it just a stripped down version of Harmor?
Lol... i knew somebody would mention the organ modulesaMUSEd wrote:There is no trial and error, you have just as much control over timbres as you do in Harmor. There are also 2 dedicated organ modules.
Thanks for the info.!aMUSEd wrote:It was the predecessor of Harmor. Along the same lines but much less complex. Then before that there was Ogun (which is amazing).quantum7 wrote:On a slightly OT, Harmless by Image Line- is that also worth checking out, or is it just a stripped down version of Harmor?
I think I'm just going to dowload demos of ALL the IL synths (I didn't realize how many they had) and see what jumps out at me. Harmor has a few great patches that will work for the New Age album I'm currently writing, so perhaps I'll find so more gems in the rest of the IL synth catalog.
That's great but there might be people who prefer the easier way because they rather concentrate on composing and less on sound design...Wildfunk wrote:Lol... i knew somebody would mention the organ modules
But this isn't "as much control over timbres"!
What i do is build up timbres (sines) to achieve an organ I WANT.
You don't seem to understand how Loom works. The organ modules are dedicated to organ sounds but they do not use premade waveforms, it's an additive synth, and you can also build up sounds from partials using the other modules.Wildfunk wrote:Lol... i knew somebody would mention the organ modulesaMUSEd wrote:There is no trial and error, you have just as much control over timbres as you do in Harmor. There are also 2 dedicated organ modules.
But this isn't "as much control over timbres"!
What i do is build up timbres (sines) to achieve an organ I WANT.
What you do on Loom is using a premade waveform and reduce the timbres with the organ modules IN HOPE to achieve the wanted sound. Maybe you have luck, maybe not. Btw the organ was just an easy example to demonstrate the workflow. I could also start on Harmor with a saw and then remove the unwanted timbres with masks/eq.
If you test all effects, too - see you again in 10 years!quantum7 wrote:I think I'm just going to dowload demos of ALL the IL synths (I didn't realize how many they had) and see what jumps out at me.
Of course he doesn't understand, he admittedly said he never tried nor used itaMUSEd wrote:You don't seem to understand how Loom works. The organ modules are dedicated to organ sounds but they do not use premade waveforms, it's an additive synth, and you can also build up sounds from partials using the other modules.Wildfunk wrote:Lol... i knew somebody would mention the organ modulesaMUSEd wrote:There is no trial and error, you have just as much control over timbres as you do in Harmor. There are also 2 dedicated organ modules.
But this isn't "as much control over timbres"!
What i do is build up timbres (sines) to achieve an organ I WANT.
What you do on Loom is using a premade waveform and reduce the timbres with the organ modules IN HOPE to achieve the wanted sound. Maybe you have luck, maybe not. Btw the organ was just an easy example to demonstrate the workflow. I could also start on Harmor with a saw and then remove the unwanted timbres with masks/eq.
I thought also to buy a simpler one than Harmor. It was between Harmless and Ogun. I am more now towards Ogun.quantum7 wrote:Thanks for the info.!aMUSEd wrote:It was the predecessor of Harmor. Along the same lines but much less complex. Then before that there was Ogun (which is amazing).quantum7 wrote:On a slightly OT, Harmless by Image Line- is that also worth checking out, or is it just a stripped down version of Harmor?
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