Apple Acquires Camel Audio

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

fork you crApple! seriously if this is true.

if you really feel justified in blaming anyone, then blame camelaudio. not that i think that is justified either, but you can't blame apple for making such a move. camel could have always have said "no"

True (well, almost: actually you CAN blame whoever you want for whatever you want. Being legitimate in doing so is of course another story).
However you can blame (loathe being a better word) Apple for the kind of company it is and the kind of politics it has. They're free and entitled to do what they do, that's not questionable...
But anyone, depending on their vision of the world, what it is (and should be) in their eyes, is entitled to feel scorn and sick about this company. I know I do, lotsa people do.

But obviously anyone else is also free not to understand why so many feel that way or just feel all those people are just retards and not getting the (your) point. This can go on and on...

when did i call anyone a retard ??

to me, it is blameless. apple made an offer too good for camel to refuse, and they didn't

you want to feel scorn about apple, have at it, but they did not blindside camel. it is camel who ultimately made the decision that left windows users in the cold (again, i don't blame them)

people could probably make quite a good case against apple for many reasons, but crying because one company bought another (likely to the benefit of both parties) is not worthy of making the grade

[LeVzi]

Well I am definitely a bit shocked and p!ssed off because now all future camel audio stuff will be Mac only.

I cannot see Apple allowing them to release instruments or effects that run outside of logic.

So I hope that Alchemy as it is now, is released as freeware for PC users as means of an apology for the massive slap in the face. I'm very p!ssed off I didn't keep it now .I always intended to get it back or Alchemy 2.

[Compyfox]

Well a rumor, from close friends of the Camel Audio devs, finally confirmed.

You've just made a rumour about a rumour, where did you get close friends from?

Take a dive into the original thread, first 20-40 pages, link to a twitter post.

Or short and summed up:
Twitter Post on 13. January 2015 by Chris Randall, Owner of Audio Damage.
Look it up, it's still online.



Else, this thread is going downhill just as fast like last time.

[Deist]

Does anyone knows whether Apple just bought the company or did they also hire Ben and the rest of the team?
I mean these guys really seem to me to be passionate people about sound synthesis development you know, not just in it for the bucks.
If they weren't hired I believe at some point they just would come back with sth entirely new because when you're truly passionate, you don't just stop what you love doing, even for millions of $.
On the other hand, if they've been hired by Apple, well... After having been cross-platform devs for so long it may feel weird to only work for half (less than, in fact) of the community from then on.

Anyways, good for them for sure! To have the opportunity to ensure one's financial security is never to be missed. Even when it feel's like a sell-out. Who wouldn't have in their place?

Hey, talking about passionate and dedicated sound synthesis devs, who here believes Urs and the guys from U-he would do the same, were they given the opportunity by Apple (or any other big shot)?
Don't see that happening, but I'd be interested in what'd be Urs decision if that were to ever happen -- I mean I read several interviews in which he said he was serious about keeping it all close to him (the very name of the company states that clear enough).

[beely]

Does anyone knows whether Apple just bought the company or did they also hire Ben and the rest of the team?

The talent is a massive factor in a buyout. Apple don't just buy to get some code, they buy for the talent.

Hey, talking about passionate and dedicated sound synthesis devs, who here believes Urs and the guys from U-he would do the same, were they given the opportunity by Apple (or any other big shot)?
Don't see that happening, but I'd be interested in what'd be Urs decision if that were to ever happen -- I mean I read several interviews in which he said he was serious about keeping it all close to him (the very name of the company states that clear enough).

Urs has been approached in some form by Apple before from comments he's made in the past, but he's happy doing his own thing, and has built a pretty successful company doing exactly what he wants to do. It's not really about the money, it's about what you as a developer want to be doing and what your new role at Apple would be, and what you'd be working on.

[Kriminal]

Lets say its true.... have apple bought camel and now ben works for them developing new and/or old stuff, or have they just bought whats there already, and their own ppl will continue development

Edit: i see someone already asked a similar question.

As i very rarely use any camel stuff, and i didnt pay for it, the buy out doesnt really affect me... but these threads are hilarious

[Deist]

fork you crApple! seriously if this is true.

if you really feel justified in blaming anyone, then blame camelaudio. not that i think that is justified either, but you can't blame apple for making such a move. camel could have always have said "no"

True (well, almost: actually you CAN blame whoever you want for whatever you want. Being legitimate in doing so is of course another story).
However you can blame (loathe being a better word) Apple for the kind of company it is and the kind of politics it has. They're free and entitled to do what they do, that's not questionable...
But anyone, depending on their vision of the world, what it is (and should be) in their eyes, is entitled to feel scorn and sick about this company. I know I do, lotsa people do.

But obviously anyone else is also free not to understand why so many feel that way or just feel all those people are just retards and not getting the (your) point. This can go on and on...

when did i call anyone a retard ??

to me, it is blameless. apple made an offer too good for camel to refuse, and they didn't

you want to feel scorn about apple, have at it, but they did not blindside camel. it is camel who ultimately made the decision that left windows users in the cold (again, i don't blame them)

people could probably make quite a good case against apple for many reasons, but crying because one company bought another (likely to the benefit of both parties) is not worthy of making the grade

Sorry man, my bad, I wasn't clear enough there. I absolutely WASN'T refering to YOUR post while saying so, just speaking in general, you know. I actually happen to agree with you, it's a good thing for the CA guys, I wish them the best and completely agree with their choice (anyone saying otherwise is a f***in hypocrite or a buddhist monk, for whom money and security are unimportant and only matters the Way of enlightenment! ^___^). I also agree that Apple is not to blame either, they just did what they always do because that's precisely what they do and what they are.
That said, I sincerely despise what they do/are and many things they represent...

[Cyforce]

Interesting, or better said finally a confirmation for the primary reason why the disapearence all thought.

But why all the Apple hate?...
I guess CA will had their reasons, why they probably agreed. And also does Apple surely have reasons why they probably asked them or maded them an offer. And sure, all which Apple buy`s in - will end in MacOS & iOS only - BECAUSE it`s their own OS! Wouldn`t make big sense if it would stays cross-plattform if all products on their own OS are bonded to their OWN hardware...

It`s just logical, even it`s sad for all who running PC only. And it will be also great for every Mac/Logic user. ES2 & EXS24 aren`t the youngest, so with CA/Alchemy inside, Logic will be better as ever before.

[mholloway]

Urs has been approached in some form by Apple before from comments he's made in the past, but he's happy doing his own thing, and has built a pretty successful company doing exactly what he wants to do. It's not really about the money, it's about what you as a developer want to be doing and what your new role at Apple would be, and what you'd be working on.

Comments like this are as ignorant as they are useless. You have no idea what it Is or Isn't about. You think Urs is cool (so do I) so you create this narrative because it also sounds cool. Do you really know if Apple made him an actual offer? No. If they did, do you know the figures involved? No. Do you know much money U-He makes (bearing in mind this is a guy openly endorsed by Hans Zimmer, with products featured in some of the biggest movies of the past decades)? -- again, No. But you can tell all of us, "It's not really about the money, it's about blah blah..."

I love Urs, I'd love to believe what you are saying is true, sure; but it's silly to just assume it's true because you'd like it to be, and post it around like some kind of statement of reality.

Business is business, folks. The Camel team are talented, creative guys, but they also run a business. They did what business do: took a good offer.

[Chapelle]

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[Deist]

Well I am definitely a bit shocked and p!ssed off because now all future camel audio stuff will be Mac only.

I cannot see Apple allowing them to release instruments or effects that run outside of logic.

So I hope that Alchemy as it is now, is released as freeware for PC users as means of an apology for the massive slap in the face. I'm very p!ssed off I didn't keep it now .I always intended to get it back or Alchemy 2.

Sorry to burst your bubble man, but you're living in a daydream here... Obviously never gonna happen! They just BOUGHT the tech! Not gonna release it freeware -- as several people pointed out previously, Apple people believe anything goes for making PC users feel more and more like switching, and in their biased and sickly distorted view of the world, I suppose this is just one more incentive to that goal or sth.

[Deist]

(Double post)

[ontrackp]

The recent improvements in the Logic Pro X upgrade demonstrated that Apple is committed to continuing to provide a pro level platform for music production, and this plays into that. This is very good news indeed for Mac based producers.

[Deist]

Hey one thought popped up in my mind right now: guess who else must be celebrating right now?
Third parties developing content for Alchemy!!!

...They just lost more than half their potential clients.

(Or were they all selling through Camel Audio?)

[chk071]

Urs has been approached in some form by Apple before from comments he's made in the past, but he's happy doing his own thing, and has built a pretty successful company doing exactly what he wants to do. It's not really about the money, it's about what you as a developer want to be doing and what your new role at Apple would be, and what you'd be working on.

Comments like this are as ignorant as they are useless. You have no idea what it Is or Isn't about. You think Urs is cool (so do I) so you create this narrative because it also sounds cool. Do you really know if Apple made him an actual offer? No. If they did, do you know the figures involved? No. Do you know much money U-He makes (bearing in mind this is a guy openly endorsed by Hans Zimmer, with products featured in some of the biggest movies of the past decades)? -- again, No. But you can tell all of us, "It's not really about the money, it's about blah blah..."

I love Urs, I'd love to believe what you are saying is true, sure; but it's silly to just assume it's true because you'd like it to be, and post it around like some kind of statement of reality.

Business is business, folks. The Camel team are talented, creative guys, but they also run a business. They did what business do: took a good offer.

+1

Without knowing any details, you won't be able to tell anything anyway. Apple knows why they made them an offer, Camel audio knows why they accepted it.