Apple Acquires Camel Audio

[beely]

But why all the Apple hate?...

Crazy innit? And the people that just kinda like many of Apple's products are painted as crazy babbling irrational fanboys... the irony isn't lost on me...

[valerian_777]

I really couldn't care less. One company sold to another thats usual business. What i find strange that some people here really thought that CA are different then other companys. I think they now learned their lesson.

[beely]

Comments like this are as ignorant as they are useless.

Nice post start!

You have no idea what it Is or Isn't about. You think Urs is cool (so do I) so you create this narrative because it also sounds cool. Do you really know if Apple made him an actual offer? No.

Yes, because Urs mentioned it in the past (not necessarily an offer like the Camel/Redmatica one, but he has good connections with the Apple audio devs and they've expressed interest in having him join them).

And if you follow Urs' posts, you can see he seems pretty uninterested in selling to Apple or anyone else - but of course, should something come his way, he would consider it and do whatever he'd decide is the best thing to do - and nobody knows what that would be, probably not even him at this point.

If they did, do you know the figures involved? No.

I never claimed to.

Do you know much money U-He makes (bearing in mind this is a guy openly endorsed by Hans Zimmer, with products featured in some of the biggest movies of the past decades)? -- again, No. But you can tell all of us, "It's not really about the money, it's about blah blah..."

You misunderstand what I said. Let me educate you.

I didn't mean the "money is of no consideration" - of course it is. But the money isn't the primary motive.

When you've started your own business from scratch, and worked really fricken hard for years to build a reputation, good products, and a committed and enthusiastic customer base, and a large company comes in with a big offer to buy you out, very few of those developers go "f**k yeah, I'm gonna buy a yacht and party like I'm a rock star!".

That decision is *hard*. You have to look at what losing the company means, what it means to your customer base that you actually do give a f**k about, and what it means for the future of you, and your team - what you will be working on, where your existing technology goes and whether you will continue to be working on it or not, issues to do with whether you and your family have to relocate, and many others things besides.

The money is an incentive, and of course a good one, but you're really naive if you think it's the only consideration.

(I apologize if you're 14 and just don't know any better.)

[Hunter]

Well a rumor, from close friends of the Camel Audio devs, finally confirmed.

You've just made a rumour about a rumour, where did you get close friends from?

Take a dive into the original thread, first 20-40 pages, link to a twitter post.

Or short and summed up:
Twitter Post on 13. January 2015 by Chris Randall, Owner of Audio Damage.
Look it up, it's still online.



Else, this thread is going downhill just as fast like last time.

I know the tweet, but where are you getting close friends of camel audio devs from? Apart from your imagination?

[chk071]

The money is an incentive, and of course a good one, but you're really naive if you think it's the only consideration.

Obviously it's a very good one, considering the hard decision you're talking about, giving up the brand name, giving up on your user base, losing your face because everyone will think now you're a vulture only caring about the money, and stuff like that. Obviously they have gotten themselves a pretty good deal, otherwise they wouldn't have done all that.

[SuitcaseOfLizards]

I used Logic Silver on a PC, Apple bought it out, end of PC version.

Now Camel goes the Logic route. It'll work for a while, then if it doesn't, I'll replace it with whatever else does a similar job.

I'm already getting plenty of love out of Padshop Pro.

I hate Apple, but for personal reasons although the person that caused them isn't there any more..

Faced with the opportunity to get enough money to retire on and be called a sodding wanker, or struggling forth as best as can be and maintain years of goodwill, you can call me a wanker while I'm on the beach in Bali.. sorry.

[beely]

Obviously it's a very good one, considering the hard decision you're talking about, giving up the brand name, giving up on your user base, losing your face because everyone will think now you're a vulture only caring about the money, and stuff like that. Obviously they have gotten themselves a pretty good deal, otherwise they wouldn't have done all that.

Sure. But most successful creatives that I know are motivated more by what they are working on, than the financial comebacks. Once you get to a certain comfort level, more money isn't the motivating factor you might think, particularly for talented creatives.

Cool people want to work on cool stuff, and Ben's decision to do it might well have been more to do with his new position, what he would be working on, and the opportunities that come with it. Who knows? All in all, the offer package was obviously strong otherwise they'd still be trading.

[Compyfox]

...but where are you getting close friends of camel audio devs from? Apart from your imagination?

You act like as if devs don't know each other, or "aren't friends" with each other.


I'm not commenting this any further. This thread is already taking it's course.

[Deist]

The money is an incentive, and of course a good one, but you're really naive if you think it's the only consideration.

Obviously it's a very good one, considering the hard decision you're talking about, giving up the brand name, giving up on your user base, losing your face because everyone will think now you're a vulture only caring about the money, and stuff like that. Obviously they have gotten themselves a pretty good deal, otherwise they wouldn't have done all that.

Well, they've been bought by Apple, man, not Tone2 ( Ain't that a CHEAP one!!! ...I mean the joke! ).

I imagine Apple has the means to make a VERY generous offer these days, don't you think?

[Deist]

I hate Apple, but for personal reasons although the person that caused them isn't there any more..

Well, his err, legacy lives on... So it makes sense your hate would as well, mmh?

[chk071]

Obviously it's a very good one, considering the hard decision you're talking about, giving up the brand name, giving up on your user base, losing your face because everyone will think now you're a vulture only caring about the money, and stuff like that. Obviously they have gotten themselves a pretty good deal, otherwise they wouldn't have done all that.

Sure. But most successful creatives that I know are motivated more by what they are working on, than the financial comebacks. Once you get to a certain comfort level, more money isn't the motivating factor you might think, particularly for talented creatives.

Cool people want to work on cool stuff, and Ben's decision to do it might well have been more to do with his new position, what he would be working on, and the opportunities that come with it. Who knows? All in all, the offer package was obviously strong otherwise they'd still be trading.

Fair enough, and i'd also agree with that. We'll see what the outcome will be like.

[stikygum]

Not sure how I feel about this. If Apple somehow re-released Alchemy in it's current form I'd be happy. Or if they came up with an Alchemy synth with slight enhancements, renamed it something else, I'd be happy. What I fear is that Apple will eat Alchemy and give us less of a product, a simplified cutdown version. I don't want that.

We all felt pretty confident that someone bought out Camel Audio and quite a few thought it was a big company like Apple. Apple did the same thing to Redmatica, which I owned, and haven't expanded on it since they acquired them. Of course this stuff can take years of development. And that's what I'm afraid of. I haven't been able to use my Redmatica copy because of the lack of compatibility. Same thing will happen to Alchemy and we may not see Apple incorporate it for years. That is why I'm skeptical of this. I actually like Apple, but this acquisition means that future OSes might not work with Alchemy and will end our use of it. Oh well, I'm going to have to do all I can to backup Alchemy now and hope for the best.

[Kalamata Kid]

Here is my take:

CA severed their ties with Alchemy users but as I see it they only cut ties with PC users. The new alchemy 2 and maybe rename the product will be Mac only. Hey they saw that PC users are crazy about alchemy. Look at 300+ posts and several threads post mortem, most of them PC users. Now some will follow Alchemy to the Mac and this is what they are betting on.

So now the question is who will fill the vacuum. Another thread covers this issue.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=429299
But there are other threads.

BTW who was the first to predict that Apple wilt buy CA?

[beely]

If Apple somehow re-released Alchemy in it's current form I'd be happy. Or if they came up with an Alchemy synth with slight enhancements, renamed it something else, I'd be happy.

If you already own it, nothing really has changed except you won't be the possibility to "upgrading" to a future version. Yes, at some point in the future, if you continue to upgrade the rest of your system, it may at some point no longer work.

I haven't been able to use my Redmatica copy because of the lack of compatibility.

Really? I can still use Keymap Pro and Autosampler here in Mavericks, and as far as I know it still works on Yosemite too (but haven't tested that).

[Deist]

Look at 300+ posts and several threads post mortem, most of them PC users. Now some will follow Alchemy to the Mac and this is what they are betting on.

Well, as for me at least, they can keep betting and kiss me on the cheeks (no, not these ones, THOSE!). I'll go Mac the day I start listening to EDM (which I'd grind my balls and set them on fire sooner than allow myself to even consider doing BTW )

BTW who was the first to predict that Apple wilt buy CA?

Oh for Pete's sake, who bloody cares? When did it become a contest? And what's the winning prize?