KVR Audio

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 6:32 am

Its amazing how quickly and easily ppl change their principles when money is thrown at them....

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:13 am

Kriminal wrote:Its amazing how quickly and easily ppl change their principles when money is thrown at them....

who changed? how do you know?

i think it's unfair to judge. walk a mile in someone's shoes.. face that person's challenges etc etc.. then you can make statements. until then though.. you really only have conjecture and circumstance to base your assumptions on...

i just think it's a lousy way to characterize a situation since none of us were in the room _ever_ and have no idea how it went down.

i'm sure it wasn't an easy decision to turn over years of work.. that being said.. maybe they were ready to move on and do something different. no one knows.

some people are pretty raw about this obviously.. but.. i mean.. move on. you could get hit by a bus next week and as you lay there dying in the street i doubt you'll think "i wish i could've spent more time on kvr trying to figure out why camel audio sold out to apple"

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:38 am

I still don't get the whole "you don't know what happened, you can't judge"-angle. If someone leaves the party without so much as saying goodbye, anybody is free (and perfectly correct) to call that rude. You are also free to be the nice guy and give the person the benefit of the doubt, but based on the information provided by the only person in a position to provide i, it was rude.

The "you don't know what transpired"-argument really works the other way around. I, for one, know this: They closed shop and didn't so much as send their customers an email to let them know about it or even thank them, rather relying on word of mouth and internet rumors to spread the word. Based on that, I'm still calling it shoddy behaviour. Not that they close up shop, not that they 'sell out'. Just that after years of cultivating a special kind of customer loyalty, they just pull the plug and walk away.

That kind of behaviour questions the whole notion of 'supporting a developer' as opposed to just buying their product. I don't think the latter is beneficial to small developers. They need their customers to identify with them as a company beyond their product. CA broke that 'trust'.

stroker_ace · Post by **stroker_ace** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 7:59 am

wasi wrote:I still don't get the whole "you don't know what happened, you can't judge"-angle. If someone leaves the party without so much as saying goodbye, anybody is free (and perfectly correct) to call that rude. You are also free to be the nice guy and give the person the benefit of the doubt, but based on the information provided by the only person in a position to provide i, it was rude.

The "you don't know what transpired"-argument really works the other way around. I, for one, know this: They closed shop and didn't so much as send their customers an email to let them know about it or even thank them, rather relying on word of mouth and internet rumors to spread the word. Based on that, I'm still calling it shoddy behaviour. Not that they close up shop, not that they 'sell out'. Just that after years of cultivating a special kind of customer loyalty, they just pull the plug and walk away.

That kind of behaviour questions the whole notion of 'supporting a developer' as opposed to just buying their product. I don't think the latter is beneficial to small developers. They need their customers to identify with them as a company beyond their product. CA broke that 'trust'.

They sell software, they didn't promise to be your BFF.

wasi · Post by **wasi** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:06 am

stroker_ace wrote:
wasi wrote:I still don't get the whole "you don't know what happened, you can't judge"-angle. If someone leaves the party without so much as saying goodbye, anybody is free (and perfectly correct) to call that rude. You are also free to be the nice guy and give the person the benefit of the doubt, but based on the information provided by the only person in a position to provide i, it was rude.

The "you don't know what transpired"-argument really works the other way around. I, for one, know this: They closed shop and didn't so much as send their customers an email to let them know about it or even thank them, rather relying on word of mouth and internet rumors to spread the word. Based on that, I'm still calling it shoddy behaviour. Not that they close up shop, not that they 'sell out'. Just that after years of cultivating a special kind of customer loyalty, they just pull the plug and walk away.

That kind of behaviour questions the whole notion of 'supporting a developer' as opposed to just buying their product. I don't think the latter is beneficial to small developers. They need their customers to identify with them as a company beyond their product. CA broke that 'trust'.
They sell software, they didn't promise to be your BFF.

You didn't read my post, did you?

reusenoise · Post by **reusenoise** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:16 am

Welocome to the real world

mutantdog · Post by **mutantdog** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:35 am

Just to throw the old "benefit of the doubt" thing in again. I'd say it was likely that Apple's offer would have involved an immediate and complete closure of the business, instead we have a decent period of time to back up files and even transfer licenses, this doesn't sound like something Apple would have stipulated.

We don't know what sort of negotiations took place, everyone assumes it was all just about money. But for all we know Ben may well have had to push for this six-month grace period (Redmatica only had 2 weeks?). If we are using the analogy of leaving a party I'd say this qualifies as saying goodbye to everyone.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 9:10 am

Today Camel Audio. Tomorrow The Universe.

Submit or die!

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:24 am

reusenoise wrote:Welcome to the real world

...where is it ?

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:37 am

IncarnateX wrote:Today Camel Audio. Tomorrow The Universe.

Submit or die!

All hail the mighty Apple!!

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 1:55 pm

riley4reason wrote:FXPansion bought them.

Kinda late to the party...Apple bought them....

Dominus · Post by **Dominus** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 2:19 pm

Kriminal wrote:Its amazing how quickly and easily ppl change their principles when money is thrown at them....

I'd say that would have been true had they been a PC only developer. (Not just limited by SE or SM, but by choice.) While some of the software developers are doing okay, there are probably plenty that are saying "I'm not sure if we're still gonna be here in another year or two." Just the economic climate and competition factors. Not speculating any more than that.

Most people do have their price though. In the late 90s I was friends with a girl that was a fairly militant vegetarian and animal activist. I tried looking her up a few years ago and found out that she was working for Monsanto now. If you would have asked me to name the *last* person (that I had known personally) who would end up working for them, I would have picked her.

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 3:22 pm

While I am, of course, saddened by the demise of CA, I don't feel cheated or angry. To the contrary, I'm happy for the devs that were able to make it to the ultimate success.

I got some great software that I will continue to use. Time marches on.

I will say however, that until I read it above, I hadn't thought about the fact that to this day there was never an official email. Had I not been a very active member of KVR, I may never have known about it. I'm sure there are many that still don't. I don't know of any legitimate transactional procedure that would have prohibited CA from doing this. Details need not have been revealed, but at a minimum, the basic information that currently appears at their website should have been distributed.

Regardless, I wish those at CA all the best, and I hope that their success serves as an inspiration to others to continue to work hard and achieve great things.

Cheers
-B

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:03 pm

Can't think of anything but f words aimed at Apl.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:13 pm

Macrumors? (Anyone ever looked at the "About us" section?)

The really scary thing is that people rather believe in rumors than in (proved) news...

This shows how much power journalists have in this world in spreading rumors...

Camel Audio ceasing sales? [Update: CA acquired by Apple]