SynthEdit Survey - Breaking the Bias (?)
- addled muppet weed
- 111286 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRian
- 574 posts since 6 Jan, 2003 from Somewhere between ))o Left and Right o((
So if I buy the C++ pack, or Orcad is a lack of respect if I ask money for my application ?whyterabbyt wrote: Explain to us all exactly how saying that Jeff doesnt care if people charge for SynthEdit-made stuff is equivalent to showing him any lack of respect.
Don't think so.
So what ? Maby i misunderstood what the guy sayed.Or do you want to have a look at what MW actually said and realise how dumb your post is?
But it's not the way to talk in a public forum.
I mean the word : f**k
- Beware the Quoth
- 35438 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
no_signal quoth
So if I buy the C++ pack, or Orcad is a lack of respect if I ask money for my application ?
Don't think so.
No it doesnt show a lack of respect, but its also completely irrelevant to your attack on Muff Wiggler.
But once again you seem to be incapable of following what you yourself actually said, because your prety much saying what Muff did.
So what ? Maby i misunderstood what the guy sayed.
Yeah you f**king did. Now apologise to him you tit.
But it's not the way to talk in a public forum.
I mean the word : f**k
Says who you hypocritical little weasel?
And you weren't having a go at him because he used the word 'f**k' you were having a go because you assumed he was saying something about Jeff. So stop trying to pull the bullshit, and apologise to him for your mistake, okay?#
Arsehole.
So if I buy the C++ pack, or Orcad is a lack of respect if I ask money for my application ?
Don't think so.
No it doesnt show a lack of respect, but its also completely irrelevant to your attack on Muff Wiggler.
But once again you seem to be incapable of following what you yourself actually said, because your prety much saying what Muff did.
So what ? Maby i misunderstood what the guy sayed.
Yeah you f**king did. Now apologise to him you tit.
But it's not the way to talk in a public forum.
I mean the word : f**k
Says who you hypocritical little weasel?
And you weren't having a go at him because he used the word 'f**k' you were having a go because you assumed he was saying something about Jeff. So stop trying to pull the bullshit, and apologise to him for your mistake, okay?#
Arsehole.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
- Beware the Quoth
- 35438 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
BONES quoth
Actually discreet bought it from Illuminiere and changed the interface.
Yeah, but there have been two updates since we first bought it, so I would assume that Discreet have done a little more than change the interface.
But, to be utterly precise about it, lets assume that we both know that I meant 'all the developers involved' rather than just 'Discreet's developers'
But, as you asked, let's see - I have never paid for a license but then again, I have never used it commercially so, in terms of money, I've got out of it precisely what it cost me.
So you would never charge anyone for working for them, or work in a commercial environment then? And the fact that you never had to pay for your license (when at one point it was quite clearly a significant purchase for small design studios) is that a reflection of how you see the product's actual worth, and by extension, any work made with that product?
And yet I have spent countless hours of my own time creating on-line tutorials and solving users questions on various forums, where several others with my level of experience with the product choose to keep their help to commercial training DVD's and books so I feel that I have the moral high-ground there as well.
You maybe have 'a' moral high ground, but its in not the same particular area as I asked about, so I dont consider it particularly relevant. As far as 'solving users questions on various forums' I think I'm on a pretty good moral high ground as well, so would that be adequate justification in your eyes for selling SE-made plugins? I doubt it, so I really dont think its a justification for a stance against it either.
Lets try it another way. You've said you worked in the fast-food industry, yes? Presumably you took advantage of the usual combination of cheap, mass-produced ingredients, and cheap, relatively unskilled workers in order to produce whatever it was you were selling? You were there for several years, you couldnt have had any major moral objection to it, and presumably what you were producing ensured that the company made a decent profit. I mean you didnt grown the tomatoes or the meat or make the flour or whatever, but you did use them to construct something which you then charged more money for than you actually paid out? Surely?
Actually discreet bought it from Illuminiere and changed the interface.
Yeah, but there have been two updates since we first bought it, so I would assume that Discreet have done a little more than change the interface.
But, to be utterly precise about it, lets assume that we both know that I meant 'all the developers involved' rather than just 'Discreet's developers'
But, as you asked, let's see - I have never paid for a license but then again, I have never used it commercially so, in terms of money, I've got out of it precisely what it cost me.
So you would never charge anyone for working for them, or work in a commercial environment then? And the fact that you never had to pay for your license (when at one point it was quite clearly a significant purchase for small design studios) is that a reflection of how you see the product's actual worth, and by extension, any work made with that product?
And yet I have spent countless hours of my own time creating on-line tutorials and solving users questions on various forums, where several others with my level of experience with the product choose to keep their help to commercial training DVD's and books so I feel that I have the moral high-ground there as well.
You maybe have 'a' moral high ground, but its in not the same particular area as I asked about, so I dont consider it particularly relevant. As far as 'solving users questions on various forums' I think I'm on a pretty good moral high ground as well, so would that be adequate justification in your eyes for selling SE-made plugins? I doubt it, so I really dont think its a justification for a stance against it either.
Lets try it another way. You've said you worked in the fast-food industry, yes? Presumably you took advantage of the usual combination of cheap, mass-produced ingredients, and cheap, relatively unskilled workers in order to produce whatever it was you were selling? You were there for several years, you couldnt have had any major moral objection to it, and presumably what you were producing ensured that the company made a decent profit. I mean you didnt grown the tomatoes or the meat or make the flour or whatever, but you did use them to construct something which you then charged more money for than you actually paid out? Surely?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRian
- 574 posts since 6 Jan, 2003 from Somewhere between ))o Left and Right o((
I misunderstood the man, because of the lack of my english, so what ?whyterabbyt wrote: But once again you seem to be incapable of following what you yourself actually said, because your prety much saying what Muff did.
If I made it with bad intention, than I would appologise.
There is no point searching for bugs...
True.you were having a go because you assumed he was saying something about Jeff
Arsehole.
- Beware the Quoth
- 35438 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
no_signal quoth
I misunderstood the man, because of the lack of my english, so what ?
If I made it with bad intention, than I would appologise.
Oh right, so you feel you have no need to apologise because it was accidental? Riiiight.
Let's see, how many ppl must appologise to me
whyterabbyt ? nuffink ? mindless ? kriminal ?
Well, it was probably just accidental responses to your stupidity, so none of us.
There is no point searching for bugs...
Quite wrong, if you're a programmer.
Arsehole
You are indeed. Well spotted.
I misunderstood the man, because of the lack of my english, so what ?
If I made it with bad intention, than I would appologise.
Oh right, so you feel you have no need to apologise because it was accidental? Riiiight.
Well, it was probably just accidental responses to your stupidity, so none of us.
There is no point searching for bugs...
Quite wrong, if you're a programmer.
Arsehole
You are indeed. Well spotted.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 3723 posts since 17 Apr, 2002 from Scotland
what heartens me the most is that Jeff McLintock never gets involved in these petty arguments - and let's face it, they happen all the time on KvR....
If anyone has the moral high ground, it's Jeff.
so NYAH!
If anyone has the moral high ground, it's Jeff.
so NYAH!
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- KVRian
- 574 posts since 6 Jan, 2003 from Somewhere between ))o Left and Right o((
If I'm so stupid, than how come I'm a good :Well, it was probably just accidental responses to your stupidity, so none of us.
1. PC service man
2. Electronic engineer
3. C++ programmer (my new hobby, design DSP stuff)
4. Music composer
5. Graphic designer
You must have heard a lot the word "stupid" and "arsehole" in your life, otherwise you would use other words too. But your vocabulary is limited to less than 10 words.
Are we programming something here ?There is no point searching for bugs...
Quite wrong, if you're a programmer.
Maby an update for your firmware whyterabbyt.
- Beware the Quoth
- 35438 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
no_signal quoth
If I'm so stupid, than how come I'm a good :
1. PC service man
Wow. do you have your own screwdriver? Amazing.
2. Electronic engineer
And a soldering iron too?
3. C++ programmer (my new hobby, design DSP stuff)
Is that the bit where you keep posting here asking other people how to do everything?
4. Music composer
And you said you didnt make any music any more you tricksy little devil.
5. Graphic designer
You're just a regular renaissance man aintcha. Bet you swim like a fish.
Of course, we dont have any evidence to support your claims of being good at any of these things, and you certainly behave like a stupid arsehole, so who are we to fly in the face of empirical evidence, eh?
You must have heard a lot the word "stupid" and "arsehole" in your life, otherwise you would use other words too.
Yup, Ive heard those words an awful lot, as well as quite a few other choice snippets; recently its mostly been when people talk about you behind your back.
But your vocabulary is limited to less than 10 words.
Yeah, that's me; I'm well known for my limited vocabulary. Its a fair copy guv, I am just as fick as yew all along.
Are we programming something here ?
From the number of posts you make asking for help, I guess you're not, you're just relying on other people to do it for you.
Maby an update for your firmware whyterabbyt.
Thats spelled 'maybe' BTW. Its one of those ten words I do know.
And no thanks, I mean I don't know why you should care about how 'firm' it is, I mean that's ever so slightly disconcerting, but I already get enough viagra spam, and don't really need more from a self-inflated little weasel like youself. Its plenty firm, thanks, and more than merely utilitarian, know what I mean, nudge nudge wink wink say no more.
If I'm so stupid, than how come I'm a good :
1. PC service man
Wow. do you have your own screwdriver? Amazing.
2. Electronic engineer
And a soldering iron too?
3. C++ programmer (my new hobby, design DSP stuff)
Is that the bit where you keep posting here asking other people how to do everything?
4. Music composer
And you said you didnt make any music any more you tricksy little devil.
5. Graphic designer
You're just a regular renaissance man aintcha. Bet you swim like a fish.
Of course, we dont have any evidence to support your claims of being good at any of these things, and you certainly behave like a stupid arsehole, so who are we to fly in the face of empirical evidence, eh?
You must have heard a lot the word "stupid" and "arsehole" in your life, otherwise you would use other words too.
Yup, Ive heard those words an awful lot, as well as quite a few other choice snippets; recently its mostly been when people talk about you behind your back.
But your vocabulary is limited to less than 10 words.
Yeah, that's me; I'm well known for my limited vocabulary. Its a fair copy guv, I am just as fick as yew all along.
Are we programming something here ?
From the number of posts you make asking for help, I guess you're not, you're just relying on other people to do it for you.
Maby an update for your firmware whyterabbyt.
Thats spelled 'maybe' BTW. Its one of those ten words I do know.
And no thanks, I mean I don't know why you should care about how 'firm' it is, I mean that's ever so slightly disconcerting, but I already get enough viagra spam, and don't really need more from a self-inflated little weasel like youself. Its plenty firm, thanks, and more than merely utilitarian, know what I mean, nudge nudge wink wink say no more.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRian
- 574 posts since 6 Jan, 2003 from Somewhere between ))o Left and Right o((
- Beware the Quoth
- 35438 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Oh, but every second spent with you is a moment of happiness and joy.
At least that's what your imaginary friends probably tell you.
At least that's what your imaginary friends probably tell you.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
I just realized that 5 minutes ago..ianweb123 wrote:But I was also Tee-Heeing because AFAICT the first example isn't SEsickle666 wrote:yeah, that came out kinda skewered, eh?ianweb123 wrote:tee-heesickle666 wrote:This is a knob example (sorry, dev guy, it's not just you).
http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=603655
Ain't it grand?
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- Banned
- 6127 posts since 1 Apr, 2004 from Et in Arcadia Ego
what do you have against f**king?no_signal wrote: But it's not the way to talk in a public forum.
I mean the word : f**k
Are you a nubian kidanpped at birth by the egyptian scum & rendered a Eunic?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2107 posts since 12 May, 2003 from gone
hey Rabbyt, cheers mate, I appreciate it 
but don't worry too much about trying to dig up an apology for me here.... I can honestly say that it wouldn't mean a damn thing to me, coming from someone with their head so far up their own ass
no worries bro
but don't worry too much about trying to dig up an apology for me here.... I can honestly say that it wouldn't mean a damn thing to me, coming from someone with their head so far up their own ass
no worries bro
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2107 posts since 12 May, 2003 from gone
Muff Wiggler wrote: maybe as stated over and over
JEFF DOESN'T GIVE A f**k
or perhaps is even stoked on it
crusade away in your f**ked little world BONES
no_signal wrote: Perhaps you're one of those guys who does'nt deserve free stuff. I don't know what it's all about and why you did wrote souch thing, but Jeff deserves mouch more respect for what he is doing.
If you don't like the way things are around Synthedit, you are wellcomed NOT to use it.
Muff Wiggler wrote: are you talking to me or to BONES?
if the former, please re-read the thread, you have made a slight mistake I'm afraid.
all the best,
Mike
no_signal wrote: So what ? Maby i misunderstood what the guy sayed.
But it's not the way to talk in a public forum.
I mean the word : f**k
What, I don't respect Jeff or SynthEdit because I used the 'F-Word'?
I don't deserve free stuff because I'm a 'swearer'? Hehehehe, is this grade 2??
OK, I gotta say, your attempt at diluting your own sheer ignorance here is about the weakest thing I've seen on a forum in ages. How hard would it have been to say 'oopsie'? I seriously thought you made a mistake, not that you were this f**king STUPID.
Notice by any chance the type of language employes by BONES? Or 90% of all of us on occasion? I can probably direct this statement at you too, now can't I:
Crusade away in your f**ked little world...
Ah the famous and oh-so-familiar resume of the 20-something guy who has an Internet connection at home, wishes he was a computer professional but ISN'Tno_signal wrote: If I'm so stupid, than how come I'm a good :
1. PC service man
2. Electronic engineer
3. C++ programmer (my new hobby, design DSP stuff)
4. Music composer
5. Graphic designer
All the best,
Mike
