SynthEdit Survey - Breaking the Bias (?)

[whyterabbyt]

Muff Wiggler quoth Jack of all trades, master of none.

hey, there, Im a f**king good jack-of-all-trades you bastard!!!

[Muff Wiggler]

Muff Wiggler quoth Jack of all trades, master of none.

hey, there, Im a f**king good jack-of-all-trades you bastard!!!

in your case, I got no trouble believing it bro

[BONES]

its in not the same particular area as I asked about, so I dont consider it particularly relevant.

Strange, you're the dickhead who bought it up. I only charge for my time at a much lower rate than most others of my experience, mainly because I prefer to do a lot of work. I have $16 in the bank, my Mastercard is maxed out at over $15,000 and I have no idea how I am going to pay rent next week. But I sleep soundly every night.

You've said you worked in the fast-food industry, yes? Presumably you took advantage of the usual combination of cheap, mass-produced ingredients, and cheap, relatively unskilled workers in order to produce whatever it was you were selling? You were there for several years, you couldnt have had any major moral objection to it, and presumably what you were producing ensured that the company made a decent profit. I mean you didnt grown the tomatoes or the meat or make the flour or whatever, but you did use them to construct something which you then charged more money for than you actually paid out? Surely?

Nice try but the way Pizza Hut skrew their franchisee's, the company I worked for never showed a profit. Interestingly, the raw product we got from them was of a very high quality - best salami around, fresh cut vege's 6 days a week, etc. I was actually very surprised at how good most of it was, except the beef which was like cheap dog food. Same with the rib joint I worked for - food you would be happy to buy from a supermarket or butcher shop to cook at home.

[no_signal]

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Hi Muff Wiggler!
I just wanted to say that it was my mistake, and I'm sorry for that.
Opposed to what you sayed, I don't have internet at home, I use a modem and dialup which is very expensive in my country. So the mistake could be occured because I don't have time to read 10-20 of pages in a thread when I connect for let's say 10 minutes. I have read now the first page too
I had to act ignorant because ppl at k-v-r are not that friendly to afford myself public excuses.
I did not wanted to start a war or something...
I just don't like those threads when ppl talk down to Synthedit users. Again, it was my mistake.
Please feel free to test my modules for Synthedit, you can find them at the yahoo SE usergroup.
Best regards,
A.F.

[whyterabbyt]

BONES quoth
Strange, you're the dickhead who bought it up.

No, you're the dickhead who confused what you do in the way of unpaid, volunteered, user-support with what you make carrying out a job for a living, as a response to a question of whether or not you make any money off using a tool which other people develop and then charge for.
Its not my problem you're too goddamned stupid to remember the context of the original question.

I only charge for my time at a much lower rate than most others of my experience, mainly because I prefer to do a lot of work. I have $16 in the bank, my Mastercard is maxed out at over $15,000 and I have no idea how I am going to pay rent next week.

So? You're crap with money. That doesnt mean you never made a profit which intrinsically relied on the work of someone else.

But I sleep soundly every night.

How nice for you. So do I.


Nice try but the way Pizza Hut skrew their franchisee's, the company I worked for never showed a profit.

It wasnt a 'try' BONES, it was a very concrete attempt to elicit a response from that incredibly unimaginative skull of yours that you might, at one time, ever have considered that taking cheaper things, doing stuff to them, then selling the result for more money, might actually be something you've ever done in your life.
But I guess that's too big a leap for you. Never mind, dont fret about it.

But having seen some of the crap you've come out with in the past, the fact that you claim you're on a 'moral high ground' because you oppose people making money with something they use Jeff's product to make, when Jeff has no problem at all, is just laughable. And, though you'll seem to go to any lengths to avoid the issue, I suspect its pretty hypocritical.

[Illusionist]

I voted I would buy a SE plug if it's good enough (and the price is good). If it wasn't freeware I'd probably would buy Mr Ray, the electric piano. I and when I read it was physical modelling done on SE, is it really? It's the only example I can think of right now, it promises much for the near future!

[ianweb123]

It's the only example I can think of right now, it promises much for the near future!

actually Ilkador and e-phonic have already done some SE plugs using phys-mod.. I would imagine that Mr Ray is a hybrid anyway as I suspect that there is some element of FM in there also.. Obviously ZioKiller would be the best person to ask...

[seldom]

And people wonder why I would happily destroy society at the first opportunity.

i doubt anybody wonders. they must know it's because you're a git.

[WilliamK]

I have no bias, but, every time I have tried SE synths, my CPU usage shoots to the roof. It's the only problem I have with SE plugins.. And Topaz, I think this is a valid argument. I tend to use a lot of sounds in my tunes and I can't have one patch using 50% of my resources.
I have to admit I haven't tried a new SE synth in a while because of this...

I know as a native developer my word won't count as much. But still, before I started programing my own code, I tried SE myself. And had the same problem, it just uses too much CPU usage compared to native-coding. Therefore, I dished it totally. Not to mention that how could I use a program that is supported mostly in a hobby base time. Jeff is a GREAT guy, but still, he doesn't do SE for a living. And I do my stuff for a living. So there you see, a list of why SE is not always a good option:

- Uses way too much CPU usage.
- This is not the primary project of the author. (I mean, he doesn't do this for a living)

Not flaming SE at all, so please understand why I'm posting this. Before anything, I'm also a musician.

Best Regards, WilliamK

[Muff Wiggler]

I just wanted to say that it was my mistake, and I'm sorry for that.

Thanks for the apology, I appreciate that.

ppl at k-v-r are not that friendly

well you get out what you put in, no? sometimes people don't read or think before they type either. but sometimes you are right about this, and it can affect all of us on occasion

[Rack Bitz]

f**k any mutts who say synthedit isnt good enough or it needs to be native code and all that shit
i remember this same bullshit when web development tools came out
ooh its not native hand coded html it musnt be as good
bollox to that
how many sites on the net arent made with dreamweaver or whatever nowadays
including the one your looking at

as far as i can tell theres a lot of non musician coders out there shitting there pants cuz they aint gonna be able to code shitty vsts anymore
look at how quickly excellent developers (se and non se) have pushed the software barrier

sorry but anyone who thinks something like vangaurd is a good deal at $100 is a fukin tool
a 3 osc synth with a trance gate whoopi fukin doo
took me ten minutes to make something like this in se and it uses exactly the same cpu

if your having problems with cpu there are plenty of trix
check the forums

so the moral of the story
theres always going to be shit synths
its just s e is so easy to use
and the web is so easy to post
that inevitably there will probably be more shit s e synths than any other development platform

oh and people lets not forget s e sdk
half the shit in these synths is made in c++ anyway

[no_signal]

I know as a native developer my word won't count as much. But still, before I started programing my own code, I tried SE myself. And had the same problem, it just uses too much CPU usage compared to native-coding. Therefore, I dished it totally. Not to mention that how could I use a program that is supported mostly in a hobby base time. Jeff is a GREAT guy, but still, he doesn't do SE for a living. And I do my stuff for a living. So there you see, a list of why SE is not always a good option:

- Uses way too much CPU usage.
- This is not the primary project of the author. (I mean, he doesn't do this for a living)

Not flaming SE at all, so please understand why I'm posting this. Before anything, I'm also a musician.

Best Regards, WilliamK

Maby if SE will have open source control some things will be easyer to be done, and it will use less cpu.
The SDK2 also made some improovements, because a SDK module is now handled like a native SE module.
Anyway since it's modular, it's opened to infinite possibilityes but don't expect the same speed as an optimised asm coded VSTi.

[topaz]

not true anymore.

I have no more cpu usage with the best SE plugins than native coded.

I suggest you try stuff like EZpoly or Mr ray

I know as a native developer my word won't count as much. But still, before I started programing my own code, I tried SE myself. And had the same problem, it just uses too much CPU usage compared to native-coding. Therefore, I dished it totally. Not to mention that how could I use a program that is supported mostly in a hobby base time. Jeff is a GREAT guy, but still, he doesn't do SE for a living. And I do my stuff for a living. So there you see, a list of why SE is not always a good option:

- Uses way too much CPU usage.
- This is not the primary project of the author. (I mean, he doesn't do this for a living)

Not flaming SE at all, so please understand why I'm posting this. Before anything, I'm also a musician.

Best Regards, WilliamK

[WilliamK]

not true anymore.
I have no more cpu usage with the best SE plugins than native coded.
I suggest you try stuff like EZpoly or Mr ray

Hummm, but those are VERY simple synths.

Wk

[topaz]

you think Mr Ray is simple ?

wow, I think it's very clever, that clever that not even a native coder has not made such a thing.

exept for Lounge Lizzard £$£$£

not true anymore.
I have no more cpu usage with the best SE plugins than native coded.
I suggest you try stuff like EZpoly or Mr ray

Hummm, but those are VERY simple synths.

Wk