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DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:20 am

Sure, that's doable, I'd just have to assign the hat and snare volume to CCs controlled by variables and #define those differently for the whole kit mapping and bus mappings. No big deal, just more search-replace in Notepad. Separate sliders for the bell and edge of each ride cymbal, too? And pan sliders in the whole-kit mapping as well, or should I keep that mapping with volume controls to make it more user-friendly and not so full of sliders?

Benefits to getting it signed are two. The main one is that you can design an XML GUI with pretty knobs, a picture of the drums in the background and whatever other functionality you can make with XML. Two, it should open directly from the Sforzando menu, like the Aria free sounds or purchased commercial products, without having to use "import". That might make it easier to reuse templates on systems with the files in different paths.

Tubeman · Post by **Tubeman** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:32 am

You could also just use key=xx so you don't have to define the pitch and range with (lokey=36
hikey=36 pitch_keycenter=36):

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<group> 
key=36
hirand=0.125
group=1
off_by=1
amp_veltrack=0
amplitude_oncc101=100

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 10:03 am

Yup. I've just got habits left over from working on pitched instruments and usually sampling them every minor third, plus sfzed opens with hikey/lokey opcodes by default. But I can clean this up with some more search-replace, as long as I'm going through the files to add pan controls it won't be much extra effort.

Burzukh_Studios · Post by **Burzukh_Studios** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:08 am

Thanks for clarifying the benefits of the plogue authorization. I'll contact them soon.

Regrading the bus sfz, here is an example.

When a user loads ,for eg , the toms bus sfz, it will show the following in the controls:

Tom 1 Volume , Tom 1 Pan
Tom 2 Volume , Tom 2 Pan
Tom 3 Volume , Tom 3 Pan

etc

The present sfz's are fine as it is, as an stereo out in a single sforzando instance.

Burzukh_Studios · Post by **Burzukh_Studios** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:24 am

I just realized that you have already defined cc100 onwards for the master sfz at present.

So, except for the kick (which is a single articulation ), you will need to ste up another whole range of cc's f

Burzukh_Studios · Post by **Burzukh_Studios** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:25 am

I just realized that you have already defined cc100 onwards for the master sfz at present.

So, except for the kick (which is a single articulation ), you will need to ste up another whole range of cc's for each of the six buses.

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:23 pm

Hmmm... so if we want a separate volume and pan MIDI CC for each element, that's what, 40-something total CCs, each one unique, which means I'll have to start lower than 101.

kick vol
kick pan (or should kick always be centered anyway?)
5 snare vols
5 snare pans
6 hat vols
6 hat pans
5 crash vols
5 crash pans
4 ride vosl
4 ride pans (or 2?)
4 tom vols
4 tom pans

In the whole-kit mapping only some of the volumes would be visible (and some of them would control multiple elements, like all snares)
The bus mappings would have volume and pan for its elements only. Not too hard to do. I guess each MIDI CC number should only be used once, so don't put the first snare articulation volume in the snare bus mapping on the same MIDI CC as the floor tom volume in the tom bus, right? I'll need to start lower than 101, then, maybe around 70.

And if somebody wants to pan the open hi-hat hard right, closed hard left, and have them mute each other, I guess that's their own fault.

Burzukh_Studios · Post by **Burzukh_Studios** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:40 pm

Yes exactly !

Maybe :

Rides should have 4 vols but two pans ( ride and bell are clubbed ).

I think snares and hi-hats dont need ANY pans at all because despite the numerous articulations they are actually single kit components. The pans can be controlled for the whole lot in the DAW track itself.

Rest is perfect.

Burzukh_Studios · Post by **Burzukh_Studios** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:07 pm

So just to summarize, the six bus sfz files will have :

Kick Bus
- 1 kick vol

Snare Bus
- 5 snare vols

HiHat Bus
-6 hat vols

Crash Bus
-5 crash vols
-5 crash pans

Ride Bus
-4 ride vols
-2 ride pans

Tom Bus
-4 tom vols
-4 tom pans

And there will be no master used for these, as the point is for the user to open each of these 6 bus sfz in separate tracks and instances of sforzando in their DAW.

DSmolken, you have made me a very happy man, and I really do owe you !

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:51 pm

So we're getting closer and closer to the goal. Not sure if I can have different controls in the bus versions without them also insisting on showing up in the kit version (the default GUI automatically shows any MIDI CC numbers which are used in the mappings), but I'll see. In the worst case I'll just have to do different SFZ files to #include in each version. Either way it won't be much work, should be able to get to it tomorrow.

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:41 pm

I can put volume and pan controls on everything, then in the kit mapping consolidate them under one number where needed, so that there's one snare volume and one snare pan for all five snare sounds in the full kit mapping. In the snare bus mapping you'd get five snare volumes and one pan, and in the dnb mapping five volumes and five pans so you can use multiple snares at once and spread them around in stereo.

But I don't know how to make the pans in the full kit and bus mappings disappear when they're not needed, not without making duplicate copies of the SFZ files. Is that OK, can we live with some extra sliders?

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 5:23 pm

OK... got the controls set up on parameters, got everything split up into buses, and also made FL Studio templates with the buses loaded and a layer channel containing all of them.

And then I forgot to include some of the files with the upload. If anybody downloaded these and started testing, sorry... complete version coming soon.

muslimpunk wrote:Ride Bus
-4 ride vols
-2 ride pans

Speaking of rides, buses and interesting percussion...

DSmolken · Post by **DSmolken** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:48 pm

This should have all the files for testing:

http://we.tl/u7TSglDB6J

Burzukh_Studios · Post by **Burzukh_Studios** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:48 pm

Thank you ! I will check and get back to you ...

Classic Wierd Al clip btw.!

Chad@PA · Post by **Chad@PA** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:35 pm

muslimpunk wrote: I browsed the plogue site but it wasn't clear what extra benefit getting a signing / auhorization from plogue would get. Do you have any idea ? Just want to be clear about what i'm asking before i contact those guys.

sforzando bank signing includes a dedicated preset bank for sforzando. The presets will show up within the sforzando file bank menu. Most importantly you get your own customizable controls page. You can fully customize the GUI to have a unique interface.

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