OK so Android 5 just hit my phone
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- KVRAF
- 7412 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
... Is there anything I can try out on it to see how good the audio is now?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7412 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
I've a Moto G (1st Gen) - I'm not expecting too much, to be fair...
Not really had time to look around, really, literally the update had just finished! It's a newish - slicker - UI, which does feel a bit less sluggish. One moan: the "don't sleep while charging" which kept the display on seems not to work. And the easter egg is impossible to play.
Not really had time to look around, really, literally the update had just finished! It's a newish - slicker - UI, which does feel a bit less sluggish. One moan: the "don't sleep while charging" which kept the display on seems not to work. And the easter egg is impossible to play.
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- KVRian
- 1158 posts since 6 Jan, 2015 from London, England
You could try FL Studio Mobile or Groove Machine Mobile. Both are worth keeping.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7412 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
FL Studio Mobile - "Android 2.3.3 required". Not exactly addressing the Android 5 perspective.
Groove Machine Mobile - "It is designed for tablets" and Play Store says incompatible.
Groove Machine Mobile - "It is designed for tablets" and Play Store says incompatible.
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musical android musical android https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=298141
- KVRist
- 251 posts since 5 Feb, 2013 from spain
Would not recommend FL studio Mobile, but in either case the Android 2.3 is just the minimum Android version that it is supposed to work on. Which by the way is a big lie as it works like caca culo on older devices it makes me very angry and sad that companies try to make money by lying as I am sure a lot of people bought it thinking that it would work! Plus that the install is so long so there is no way to get a refund!
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If you want to try the latency and see if it is good enough for you maybe better try Heat synthesizer for example as it is feature laden synthesizer and it does have serious lag on older Android versions so you can see directly if there is good latency or not on Android 5 but it should be pretty good.
There is a demo version and there is a lot of other synthesizers you can try but recommend trying this as it has like said above very obvious latency issues on older Android versions...
And if you are for some reason thinking about gettting FL Studio please look into Caustic for example that is better and have far more options.
Then there is other complete music apps that is also very good like-
SunVox (arguably the most complete app for Android but many get turned off by the interface and workflow, which is easier and more clever than can be thought at first).
G-Stomper Studio (need a strong device to handle more complex pieces)
Syntheogen
Reactable
All being stable and capable...
Shame on you Image line!!!
If you want to try the latency and see if it is good enough for you maybe better try Heat synthesizer for example as it is feature laden synthesizer and it does have serious lag on older Android versions so you can see directly if there is good latency or not on Android 5 but it should be pretty good.
There is a demo version and there is a lot of other synthesizers you can try but recommend trying this as it has like said above very obvious latency issues on older Android versions...
And if you are for some reason thinking about gettting FL Studio please look into Caustic for example that is better and have far more options.
Then there is other complete music apps that is also very good like-
SunVox (arguably the most complete app for Android but many get turned off by the interface and workflow, which is easier and more clever than can be thought at first).
G-Stomper Studio (need a strong device to handle more complex pieces)
Syntheogen
Reactable
All being stable and capable...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7412 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
Thanks for that. OK... Heat synthesizer still feels a bit laggy. I didn't try it before upgrading, though, so I can't say if it's comparatively better.
Are the Lollipop changes "just there" for audio apps - i.e. nothing special the app needs to do to say "Hey, I really need low latency between user and audio out" to the OS? I guess I'm think Windows and Linux where low latency needs a specific approach to audio - and if that was not available till Android 5, I'd expect new apps or new versions of apps in order to make use of it. I've not really found this made clear.
Are the Lollipop changes "just there" for audio apps - i.e. nothing special the app needs to do to say "Hey, I really need low latency between user and audio out" to the OS? I guess I'm think Windows and Linux where low latency needs a specific approach to audio - and if that was not available till Android 5, I'd expect new apps or new versions of apps in order to make use of it. I've not really found this made clear.
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musical android musical android https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=298141
- KVRist
- 251 posts since 5 Feb, 2013 from spain
The serious apps are optimized for low latency so if the device have low latency the application will have it to.
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Peter - IK Multimedia Peter - IK Multimedia https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217907 - KVRAF
- 8151 posts since 20 Oct, 2009
But Android 5 didn't really bring great improvements to audio, latency-wise. Samsung Professional Audio is still the best improvement to audio latency to hit the platform. Hardware interfaces like our upcoming iRig 2 will work but even on Android 5 actual instrument input will have noticeable latency and any analog instruments would get best results with non-realtime audio or non-critical tasks like tuners, etc. This is the reason we decided to make our upcoming iRig UA since true ultra-low latency on Android OS itself still does not seem to be a priority to anybody but Samsung and app developers...
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musical android musical android https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=298141
- KVRist
- 251 posts since 5 Feb, 2013 from spain
It seems to me that people get really low latency on the Google Nexus devices and it depends on the brand in general,
some worse some better it would be interesting to see what pjones find out on his device with Heat synthesizer if he decides to test it...
some worse some better it would be interesting to see what pjones find out on his device with Heat synthesizer if he decides to test it...
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Peter - IK Multimedia Peter - IK Multimedia https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=217907
- KVRAF
- 8151 posts since 20 Oct, 2009
In our tests on realtime processing of audio input it was still nowhere near iOS nor Samsung Professional Audio with regard to low latency, unfortunately. With multiple compatible audio interfaces, we were definitely looking forward to much better and usable results.musical android wrote:It seems to me that people get really low latency on the Google Nexus devices and it depends on the brand in general,
some worse some better it would be interesting to see what pjones find out on his device with Heat synthesizer if he decides to test it...
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- Banned
- 1583 posts since 19 Aug, 2011
Where have you seen a Nexus with low latency, and which version is it?musical android wrote:It seems to me that people get really low latency on the Google Nexus devices and it depends on the brand in general,
some worse some better it would be interesting to see what pjones find out on his device with Heat synthesizer if he decides to test it...
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musical android musical android https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=298141
- KVRist
- 251 posts since 5 Feb, 2013 from spain
The developer of G-Stomper did a lot of testing and wrote a article regarding latency on Android recently.
(that can be read here- http://www.musicalandroid.com/articles/ ... lanet-hcom)
The conclusions was on applications using OpenSLESv(which most of the more serious apps use or have as an option) and Google Nexus 9 Android version 5 had 10 ms latency and the same device with Android 4.4 20 ms.
Then there is the new Samsung devices and Android 5.0 that seems to have even lower latency with their own propietary solution...
10 ms seems pretty good to me. Do not know how fast or how good of a piano player (f.ex) you have to be to notice 10 ms of latency?
It would be interesting to test these things with a professional musician that do not look at the numbers but just using hir musical sensibility.
(that can be read here- http://www.musicalandroid.com/articles/ ... lanet-hcom)
The conclusions was on applications using OpenSLESv(which most of the more serious apps use or have as an option) and Google Nexus 9 Android version 5 had 10 ms latency and the same device with Android 4.4 20 ms.
Then there is the new Samsung devices and Android 5.0 that seems to have even lower latency with their own propietary solution...
10 ms seems pretty good to me. Do not know how fast or how good of a piano player (f.ex) you have to be to notice 10 ms of latency?
It would be interesting to test these things with a professional musician that do not look at the numbers but just using hir musical sensibility.