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Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:31 pm

wagtunes wrote:The winner gets one of my soundbanks free. How's that? Incentive enough to "play" now?

A little, but as I neither Got Serum or Omnisphere, not really

But I guess you got both these synths in order to make patches for them.

And if you got these, why do you need more? Omni is like the end all of synths right, get that and you got it sorted.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:34 pm

Numanoid wrote:
wagtunes wrote:The winner gets one of my soundbanks free. How's that? Incentive enough to "play" now?
A little, but as I neither Got Serum or Omnisphere, not really

But I guess you got both these synths in order to make patches for them.

And if you got these, why do you need more? Omni is like the end all of synths right, get that and you got it sorted.

Well, it's not really a question of getting the "synth to end all synths." Like I was telling to fluff, each synth has its own character and sometimes I'm looking for something for a particular song that only 1 or 2 synths really fit for the part. I certainly wouldn't use Arturia's Mini V to do an atmospheric glassy pad.

The right tool for the right job and I have yet to find one synth that does everything absolutely perfectly for every single song.

Not even Omnisphere.

OBSOLETE165973 · Post by **OBSOLETE165973** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:48 pm

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wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:04 pm

yobare wrote:Vacum?
Spire?
z3ta?
V-Station

None of these really impressed me. AIR Loom is a possibility and on my list of maybes.

V-Station I'd have to go to my local Sam Ash to get. Not interested in having to take a trip there.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:12 pm

I know what you mean, and I agree of course that often one type of synth cannot produce a required sound.
(I am looking for a synth as well, but I don't have that "surprise me" approach. I know exactly which sound I need, which unfortunately something like Sylenth can't do. Namely, subtle voice-like pads at a good quality. My rompler has a few such patches, but they are just not the quality I need. They should sound like the pads throughout this song, especially the one at 2:56: . Any idea what hardware they used?

)

Anyway, I think having, say, three comprehensive quality synths should basically cover it all: one "analog type", one "digital type", and one rompler.

Of course it also depends on what you are doing. If you are a professional musician, producer etc. working in a studio, you will need better stuff than most of us KVR users

But hey, if you have too much money, go and waste it

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:28 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:I know what you mean, and I agree of course that often one type of synth cannot produce a required sound.
(I am looking for a synth as well, but I don't have that "surprise me" approach. I know exactly which sound I need, which unfortunately something like Sylenth can't do. Namely, subtle voice-like pads at a good quality. My rompler has a few such patches, but they are just not the quality I need. They should sound like the pads throughout this song, especially the one at 2:56: . Any idea what hardware they used? )

Anyway, I think having, say, three comprehensive quality synths should basically cover it all: one "analog type", one "digital type", and one rompler.

Of course it also depends on what you are doing. If you are a professional musician, producer etc. working in a studio, you will need better stuff than most of us KVR users

But hey, if you have too much money, go and waste it

Well, I could probably write a novel on synth selection, sound, mix cohesiveness and blah, blah, blah, but I don't want to derail my own thread.

After 36 years you just know when something is not quite right in a mix because of a certain synth or sound and nothing you do is going to fix the problem short of chucking the synth or sound altogether.

I am fortunate enough right now that I rarely pull my hair out looking for just the right sound for something, but that means knowing all your instruments very well as far as what each one is capable of doing. And yes, I do have my "go-to" synths for very specific things, like EWQL Hollywood Strings if I must have realistic sounding strings and a synth just won't do. But now we're talking sample libraries which is a whole other subject.

The more options I have, the easier it is for me to find what I'm looking for, provided I know all my synths. That's the hard part, especially when you have so many. But I'm getting there. Very few on my list would I have no clue as to where to begin in searching for a sound. Cycle would be one of them. The Mangle, because it's all "supply your own samples" based, is another. That's a totally open landmine field that you just don't walk through unless you have a crap ton of time on your hands.

But most additive, subtractive, yada, yada, yada synths are pretty easy. The keys are how the filters sound and what you can do with the modulations. And naturally what waveforms you can make with the oscillators.

After doing this long enough, you can get a good feel for a synth's sound in a short amount of time. That's why in most cases, just listening to a demo is enough for me.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:10 pm

Not going to try and wow you really.
Seems like you have enough in your tool box to get whatever you need.
I do too and I guess it's that form of GAS we have of looking for the unique to add to our collections?

I look for 'quirky' especially in the form of modelers. AAS makes a couple that I have; that I doubt I would let go of unless I was forced to. And along those lines, Image Line has one too that I keep on a 'watch list' if I ever see it cheap enough. And at this point, they do have to be cheap to consider, since I don't really need them for anything other than my interest in abstract oddities.

But a couple on my current 'watch list' - off the top of my head are:
Image Line's Sakura (a price of anything less than $30.00 and I'll jump).
Linplug's Saxlab (The last update seem to finally kill off the cheesy quality that kept me from it before).
and...
2CAudio's Kaleidoscope (just recently 'blipped' my radar and I'll be installing the demo today. Although I do find it a bit pricey, the blurb at least promises something different).

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:21 pm

5 pages with suggestions and wagtunes isn't happy yet? No holy grail inside? Maybe someone should recommend Sylenth1?

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:26 pm

Apple's (Logic) Sculpture

Helix
Surge

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:27 pm

wagtunes wrote:
Lotuzia wrote:Xils-Lab Synthix is now called Syn'x and is a Synthex emulation on steroids, ie the -short- golden age of DCOs maried to vintage analog filters. Its a polytimbral synth, and you can for example make huge leads by layering 8 completely independant synthesizer engines.

Maybe you could try Oxium, because its never seen modulators ( mask sequencers amongst others ) and double filter structure makes it capable to create patches I've never hear made by any other synths.

Crx4, by Linplug,is an interesting synth, as are Waldorf Largo or Nave, and Madrona Labs Aalto, or Sches Diversion, to name a few. Allunique sounding synthesizers.
I'm listening to the Syn'X demo tracks now. You've done some really nice ones for it. Great work.

Liking what I hear. Very 80s sounding. In fact, it sounds like a particular synth from that era that I can't put my finger on and it's driving me crazy. LOL.

This one is definitely going on the list. Of course it's XILS so I'm not surprised. Almost dread listening to Oxium. LOL.

** EDIT ** Okay, listened to Oxium and it totally blew me away. More what I'm looking for in sound than Syn'X. Right now, this synth is the front runner. And at $104, it's a steal.

Thanks, I try to make presets that are 100% usefull. And yes I think that Oxium is a steal too, due to the diversity of things it can do. Also, my last criteria for a synth, it that it will hold its place in a mix. Oxium is OK for this too. It can be 1rst plan effortless, or less dominant if needed/desired.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:41 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:5 pages with suggestions and wagtunes isn't happy yet? No holy grail inside? Maybe someone should recommend Sylenth1?

First of all, this isn't a question of not being happy. You don't just write down a list of synths and pick one out of a hat to buy. You have to listen to demos and then if you like what you hear, download a demo version and see if it even works on your machine. Then, how does it feel using the GUI? Does it sound the same out of the box? And so on.

Not searching for a holy grail either. Just something different to add to my toolbox.

But I guess you only own one synth, right?

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:47 pm

wagtunes wrote:The right tool for the right job and I have yet to find one synth that does everything absolutely perfectly for every single song.

But it is almost impossible to advice you on that, as it is a very specific problem that more or less only you would be able to answer, depending on which track you decide to compose in the future.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:49 pm

wagtunes wrote:Not searching for a holy grail either. Just something different to add to my toolbox.

But I guess you only own one synth, right?

I think it is more a case of that you want everybody else in here to fuel your own GAS

Why don't you go to the local music shop and ask them for input, at least they get paid for their services

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:04 pm

Numanoid wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Not searching for a holy grail either. Just something different to add to my toolbox.

But I guess you only own one synth, right?
I think it is more a case of that you want everybody else in here to fuel your own GAS

Why don't you go to the local music shop and ask them for input, at least they get paid for their services

My local music shop (Sam Ash) has a very limited selection of soft synths. They deal mostly in hardware

I figured since KVR regularly has OSCs, has knowledge of a lot of synths, and generally is into this stuff, I didn't think it would be a hardship for members to toss some suggestions at me. I certainly didn't force anybody to participate and anyone who doesn't want to can simply ignore the thread.

Those who have taken the time to respond...

1) I appreciate it.

2) I've actually gone and listened to these synths, thus spending my own time as well.

So their effort was not for nothing.

Finally, I don't know every synth out there, thus I would have no way of knowing how to look for a synth if I don't even know it exists. For example, until today, I never heard of Rhino.

I am sorry if I have inconvenienced you by this thread. As I said, you are certainly welcome to simply ignore it.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:12 pm

wagtunes wrote:2) I've actually gone and listened to these synths, thus spending my own time as well.

You can't be serious. There a lots of suggestions in this thread, if you are gonna demo them all properly you can't just spend a couple of hours, you would need weeks.

Just seeing the gear list you already got in the OP, should take a couple of life times getting to the depths of them all.

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