Partial List of heavyweight artists pulling their music from Streaming sites
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- KVRAF
- 1959 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from The Infinite Void
This must be the weirdest promo campaign for a new album ever.
I almost want to listen to this album the OP is releasing, unfortunately he's made it clear I can't. Obviously he is not interested in any one of the millions of potential fans that he could reach through Spotify et al.
Oh well, with all the good music I can listen to, I'm sure I'll get by without it.
I almost want to listen to this album the OP is releasing, unfortunately he's made it clear I can't. Obviously he is not interested in any one of the millions of potential fans that he could reach through Spotify et al.
Oh well, with all the good music I can listen to, I'm sure I'll get by without it.
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- KVRAF
- 1724 posts since 31 Dec, 2004 from betwixt
No, really, seriously though, I understand the OP's frustration. This can be hard work, a lot of love, and attention to detail.
Here's the thing I've learned about doing something you love for "pay" - it becomes pain. It starts out as pleasure, but as soon as the demands start coming in, that thing one loves turns into something one hates. It becomes about pleasing for profits, about changing who you are to maximize appeal. Approval seeking and all that other ridiculous nonsense.
So I no longer care about making money with this. Been here before with music, with other work; tried to make it work; now I don't care. I'll release what I want when I want how I want and whoever likes it - great, I hope it adds some joy and happiness to your day. Cuz at the end of the day I'm making the music I want to hear that I don't hear being made.
Got to give all those time travellers with boring futures something to travel back and listen to.
Here's the thing I've learned about doing something you love for "pay" - it becomes pain. It starts out as pleasure, but as soon as the demands start coming in, that thing one loves turns into something one hates. It becomes about pleasing for profits, about changing who you are to maximize appeal. Approval seeking and all that other ridiculous nonsense.
So I no longer care about making money with this. Been here before with music, with other work; tried to make it work; now I don't care. I'll release what I want when I want how I want and whoever likes it - great, I hope it adds some joy and happiness to your day. Cuz at the end of the day I'm making the music I want to hear that I don't hear being made.
Got to give all those time travellers with boring futures something to travel back and listen to.
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- KVRAF
- 2295 posts since 18 Oct, 2010 from Japan
Alright, since this guy won't listen to words that, fine, I'll agree, words can be coloured by bias. Let's take a look at something that cannot be debated. Cold. Hard. Numbers.
Music is music, is music is music. Regardless of who the author is, the question of music is always about if it's music you like or music you don't because what makes ANY service or product survive are it's customers. So if a service cannot provide artists that people like, then it will die. However, music is a subjective taste where the worst music to some has the followers of thousands, and the best music to others sink with only a few fans. That is the ecosystem we live in, and what sustains and grows this system are the customers of the service. So, let's take a look at those numbers.
In 2010 iTunes had only 13,000,000 songs, as seen via WayBack Machine at the link below:
https://web.archive.org/web/20101215130 ... unes_Store
in 2014 (according to the below linked article) iTunes now has 37,000,000 (rounded) songs, many are exclusive to the service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_Store
And from 2003, the launch year of iTunes, it launched with 200,000 songs
(http://www.geek.com/apple/itunes-in-num ... e-1108472/)
These numbers do not lie. Online distribution has seen exponential growth. So let's look at streaming services now.
Pandora:
The reported statistic from the article comes from 2011, with 80,000 registered artistswith 800,000 songs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Radio#cite_note-14
The wayback machine the article states there were 700,000 registered songs from 2010, just a year before.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101008211 ... dora_Radio
Spotify:
The recorded report on number of songs here is from 2012, stating 20 million songs available via their service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotify#cite_note-76
And the 2010 report says 10 million songs. That's 5 million songs per year.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101008211 ... ki/Spotify
So there you have it. I'm sick of you making this stupid posts that have NO MERIT. Zero merit, with zero research. How about, instead of making up crappy, lies and exaggerations, you actually do some frikkin research on the topic you so desperately seem to try to evangelize this notion that some sort of major industry change is doomed. You have no facts to support this. You have no evidence to support this. You have nothing to support this and yet you ignore anyone who tells you WITH FACTS. Hopefully now you will understand now that I have shown you raw figures. Straight numbers.
I am going to repeat what I said, a point you seemed to of so aptly missed.
You can "wait and see" where the industry goes for as long as you want. You know why? Because no one is waiting for you music. Do you not see these numbers? 37,000,000 songs on itunes. 20 million on Spotify. Why the hell should anyone care about your music? The only thing you are doing by waiting is hurting yourself. And frankly, I am okay with that.
Music is music, is music is music. Regardless of who the author is, the question of music is always about if it's music you like or music you don't because what makes ANY service or product survive are it's customers. So if a service cannot provide artists that people like, then it will die. However, music is a subjective taste where the worst music to some has the followers of thousands, and the best music to others sink with only a few fans. That is the ecosystem we live in, and what sustains and grows this system are the customers of the service. So, let's take a look at those numbers.
In 2010 iTunes had only 13,000,000 songs, as seen via WayBack Machine at the link below:
https://web.archive.org/web/20101215130 ... unes_Store
in 2014 (according to the below linked article) iTunes now has 37,000,000 (rounded) songs, many are exclusive to the service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_Store
And from 2003, the launch year of iTunes, it launched with 200,000 songs
(http://www.geek.com/apple/itunes-in-num ... e-1108472/)
These numbers do not lie. Online distribution has seen exponential growth. So let's look at streaming services now.
Pandora:
The reported statistic from the article comes from 2011, with 80,000 registered artistswith 800,000 songs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Radio#cite_note-14
The wayback machine the article states there were 700,000 registered songs from 2010, just a year before.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101008211 ... dora_Radio
Spotify:
The recorded report on number of songs here is from 2012, stating 20 million songs available via their service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotify#cite_note-76
And the 2010 report says 10 million songs. That's 5 million songs per year.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101008211 ... ki/Spotify
So there you have it. I'm sick of you making this stupid posts that have NO MERIT. Zero merit, with zero research. How about, instead of making up crappy, lies and exaggerations, you actually do some frikkin research on the topic you so desperately seem to try to evangelize this notion that some sort of major industry change is doomed. You have no facts to support this. You have no evidence to support this. You have nothing to support this and yet you ignore anyone who tells you WITH FACTS. Hopefully now you will understand now that I have shown you raw figures. Straight numbers.
I am going to repeat what I said, a point you seemed to of so aptly missed.
You can "wait and see" where the industry goes for as long as you want. You know why? Because no one is waiting for you music. Do you not see these numbers? 37,000,000 songs on itunes. 20 million on Spotify. Why the hell should anyone care about your music? The only thing you are doing by waiting is hurting yourself. And frankly, I am okay with that.
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- KVRist
- 353 posts since 22 Feb, 2004
The only thing you'll succeed with by pulling your material from the new outlets is making yourself completely irrelevant and forgotten to the new generation of consumers growing up.
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- KVRAF
- 8563 posts since 2 Aug, 2005 from Guitar Land, USA
The best music today is free on Soundcloud. Beatlesex, Rodney Swagga, Hardly Art, to name a few.
Am I going to pay for bad producing, hidden inspiration that the label purposely left out, super long blank space between songs, after songs, heck we'll have a greatest hits cd with intros, outros, and blank space. Why not, look at me go.
Am I going to pay for bad producing, hidden inspiration that the label purposely left out, super long blank space between songs, after songs, heck we'll have a greatest hits cd with intros, outros, and blank space. Why not, look at me go.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111253 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
never heard of em, are they new?bluedad wrote:Led zepplin just put their catalogue up on rhapsody and spotify, so not all heavyweights are
leaving.
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She Changed Her Mind She Changed Her Mind https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=342043
- Banned
- 452 posts since 22 Nov, 2014 from Amsterdam
$150 for a million views? Where did you get that rate? Curious..