Zynaptiq Morph

[Daags]

Get out of bed with your right foot, not the left one.

Yeah. But a troll is a troll, no matter which foot.

/Joachim

trolling...because I have reservations about the plugin ? OK pal.
if you can post some examples 'proving' me 'wrong' ... i'd love to hear them. or if you don't agree it takes lots of auditioning to find stuff that works together, again, please say so - if it's the truth. i'd love to believe this too.

Not about 'what, but about 'how'.

Some people just don't seem to realise that they raise hackles through their arrogant and abrasive manner. Not a very successful strategy for constructive dialogue. And you're not my 'pal'.

/Joachim

okee dokee.

reassuring to note you don't disagree with the content of my posts at least -

[Neon Breath]

by the way, you really should have implemented some LFOs into this... the ability to use midi for the same purposes notwithstanding.

LFOs as well as an envelope follower would be really cool, yes. These are definitely on my "want" list for the future

-d

Great news Denis. Envelope follower, nice idea. Looking forward to this

[Jedinhopy]

Will this plugin even be able to produce sounds that are reminiscent of traditional spectral morphing where the values of all frequencies + amplitudes of all sinewaves slowly crossfades/morphs into using the frequencies + amplitudes that the target sound uses?

And then be able to do a "4-source" morphing.

[Neon Breath]

Will this plugin even be able to produce sounds that are reminiscent of traditional spectral morphing where the values of all frequencies + amplitudes of all sinewaves slowly crossfades/morphs into using the frequencies + amplitudes that the target sound uses?

And then be able to do a "4-source" morphing.

I am no under the hood technical wizard at all , but I think Morph is already doing that.

[Jedinhopy]

Will this plugin even be able to produce sounds that are reminiscent of traditional spectral morphing where the values of all frequencies + amplitudes of all sinewaves slowly crossfades/morphs into using the frequencies + amplitudes that the target sound uses?

And then be able to do a "4-source" morphing.

I am no under the hood technical wizard at all , but I think Morph is already doing that.

The inbetween sound would sound out of tune and detuned because the frequencies of the 2 sounds are too far away from each other.

[zynaptiq]

It is not doing a "classic" spectral interpolation right now. Not a big deal to make it do that, too (well, *relatively speaking* no big deal - as in "no research to perform").

I'll take that onto the list of cool stuff for the future.

As to 4-source morphing -- that's primarily an issue on the host/plug-in format side. Getting 4 stereo sources into the plugin would be limited to a few hosts and definitely require a lot of setup. 4 mono sources would be way easier to get done consistently across different formats/platforms.

[Sampleconstruct]

Experiment:

Morphing several female sigh samples with a string drone:

[aMUSEd]

It is not doing a "classic" spectral interpolation right now. Not a big deal to make it do that, too (well, *relatively speaking* no big deal - as in "no research to perform").

Oh I thought that was exactly what it was doing already (except for when it's crossfading). So how is it achieving something that you state yourself is comparable to Kyma, which does use spectral interpolation?

[Neon Breath]

Experiment:

Morphing several female sigh samples with a string drone:

Cool stuff! Love that one Simon. Pretty cool how the pitch seems to bend while morphing...

[zynaptiq]

It's a proprietary method that uses pattern recognition to map features of one sound to features of the other sound. In a way, it creates something like wire-frame models for the sources, then shapes those wireframes to go from one to the other. IMHO it is an approach much more like visual morphing effects, where one shape becomes another shape. As an analogy, spectral/sum-of-sines approaches as used in Kyma do the morph on a "pixel" basis, so using technical units like "amplitude x at frequency y at time Z" – while MORPH would do edge tracking, object categorization and wireframe models – essentially, on a CONTENT basis. The two sound very different. The TAU/PSI based Kyma morphing is probably the closest to what we're doing conceptually, but still very different (IIRC it's a PSOLA based method) and reliant on manual positioning of "this goes there" markers (which MORPH figures out automatically).

Just to be clear about comparisons – I myself try to avoid them. Kyma is a great product (which is why i have two), and SSC are really cool people. I have no interest in talking down someone else's thing to big up my thing. You'll note that I didn't bring it up. I *will* come out of the woods to "defend" MORPH though when people make claims that Kyma is better just because "it's the mythical Kyma" - Kyma's morphing (and there actually are several different approaches in Kyma) and MORPH sound very different. I wouldn't say that one sounds better per se than the other, just different. However, they are comparable in the sense that both deliver high quality morphing on a level that can actually be used in film sound (where "believability" is of the utmost importance). A key difference is that MORPH is fully real-time, so you just route stuff to it and you're good to go, whereas many of the morphing approaches in Kyma require a pre-analysis and/or placing markers/aligning stuff before you can compile the sound and hear the result. Many people I've spoken to see this as a major advantage for MORPH. That said, MORPH does benefit from aligning sounds along the time axis first, too, and it is possible in Kyma to create a real-time spectral analysis-to-SOS morph (but the really good sounding stuff in Kyma requires analysis and editing to do). Obviously, Kyma has a huge number of other things up it's sleeves (which is, IMHO, the key strength of the system).

At the end of the day, you'll want both MORPH *and* Kyma anyway...

HTH,
Denis

[lnikj]

At the end of the day, you'll want both MORPH *and* Kyma anyway...

I might *want* both …

[Neon Breath]

And at the end of the day, whatever is under Morph's hood, it sounds really cool and you definitely can achieve some pretty wild hybrid & nutty morphed stuff. Nuff said! Just enjoy it for what is does, it's really fun and creative.

So far in the realm of audio effect & real time audio morphing, it’s the best thing I’ve tried and heard so far. My Alchemy that I painfully used for morphing is gonna take the dust…

[Sampleconstruct]

Experiment:

Morphing several female sigh samples with a string drone:

Cool stuff! Love that one Simon. Pretty cool how the pitch seems to bend while morphing...

Thanks Seb, yeah when the drone starts modulating the sighs, things get weird.

[Krakatau]

Experiment:

Morphing several female sigh samples with a string drone:

Cool stuff! Love that one Simon. Pretty cool how the pitch seems to bend while morphing...

Thanks Seb, yeah when the drone starts modulating the sighs, things get weird.

Impressive

Looks clear in the case that fundamentals of "A" position dominates in the morphing process

I'm wondering in such case how such string drones might give morphed with tuvan ones at unisson (or 3rd, 4th and 5th intervals)

[Sampleconstruct]

I'm wondering in such case how such string drones might give morphed with tuvan ones at unisson (or 3rd, 4th and 5th intervals)

I shall try that next...