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MaxSynths · Post by **MaxSynths** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:35 am

Music is a loop

nineofkings · Post by **nineofkings** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:40 am

These oscillators suck. They're just repeating the same one-cycle loop over and over again. Boring.

DJ Warmonger · Post by **DJ Warmonger** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:13 am

For my latest track I used all kinds of synths on my disposal, as well as presets, samples and loops. Everything goes, everything is allowed. Using loops (or samples) is just another kind of workflow. In some genres, such as techno or D'n'B, it's all about slicing and mangling loops indefinitelly.

The more techniques you know, the better track you can make. Making music with guitarist + singer is kind of repetitive, in fact. In modern productions you can find all kinds of effects and synths that make them stand out from a millions of similiar songs made.

kelvyn · Post by **kelvyn** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:03 am

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spirit · Post by **spirit** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:23 am

A very good friend of mine starting getting into loops and suddenly all his music turned into ow-grade muzak. He'd have a good idea, then to speed it along he'd lay in a few loops and instantly: Blam! Same old tired crap that you hear everywhere. Loops are a guarantee that you'll create unoriginal rubbish.

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:12 pm

I create my own looptyloops....

ccDuckett · Post by **ccDuckett** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:38 pm

Loops, you say?

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:01 pm

i love william basinski!

She Changed Her Mind · Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:40 pm

American artist?
Gee.. I don't know but it shure keeps 'em busy!

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:41 pm

MaxSynths wrote:Music is a loop

FTFY

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:14 pm

The most interesting music falls in the grey area between predictability and unpredictability.

Loops can enduce a psychedelic feeling from the repetition (hypnotic might be a better word), but it's even better if the loop can mutate subtly over time, changing timbre, having it's timeline shuffled slightly on each pass. That means not getting lazy and loading in a loop and looping it, but deconstructing it and programming it from the ground up, or straight up just synthesizing it so you can control many aspects of it's timbre and timing.

My biggest gripe with drum and bass was that it went from very complicated drum phrasing, often working on a basis of repeating every 32 bars, but with variations being added all of the time, to this wallpaper-loop type of music where the loop is just copied and pasted, and stupid, predictable fills are added to bridge together different sections of the track (anyone remember the dadadadadadadadadadadadadadada.. BOOF! *drop*? So dull)

A lot of the intricate breakbeat music I like will have a simple loop (something Frank Zappa might call the "pedestrian beat"), then a foreground drum part will work over the top of it, constantly shifting around and through it, like a weaving thread of syncopation and reinforcement. When that kind of programming counterpoints melodics or atmospherics in a potent way, it just leaves the layered loop music in the dust for me.

On the other hand, sometimes monotony can be used as a very effective musical device. I just see looping as one option of many, wheras in a lot of circles, it appears to be pretty much the only option, or at the very least, the default option. You could say - loops don't bore people, unimaginative artists bore people.

keyman_sam · Post by **keyman_sam** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:02 pm

If loops are a crime then so are presets. Do you see me complaining?

Frantz · Post by **Frantz** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:02 pm

Get lost in the loop.

She Changed Her Mind · Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:24 pm

This thread is wicked.. just finished my first loop made of samples only.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:43 pm

It's all strange behaviour

Could someone please explain anti-loop snobbery?