Zynaptiq Morph

[deastman]

I have to admit that I was anti-iLok for a long time. I was pretty much strong-armed into getting one, because I owned Speakerphone 2 (which was NOT cheap software!) and then they came out with the next update which required iLok. But you know what? Now that I'm using it, it really isn't so awful after all. I used to deal with all kinds of dongles for 3D software "back in the day", and this whole system is relatively painless. I understand that some people seem to be experiencing problems with it, but I've been okay so far on three different machines.

Not that it has anything much to do with the topic. Let's see some more Simon videos!

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Before posting more vids, here is a written Morph-report.
Yesterday I morphed a flute phrase from an upcoming library with a Serum pad, which set the tonality for the phrase (major7). The results were stunning, the flute phrase turned into some sort of vocal-ish-vocoder-like-of-sound, while the pad adapted the timbre and amplitude of the flute phrase - like a breathing synth, together they formed something totally different. So I sampled about a minute of the repeating phrase morphing with the pad while automating the morph stages and formant filter. Played in a granular sampler and layering it with the original flute phrase, using long grain times and several overlapping grain streams, at different octaves, assigning grain position to Aftertouch so you can scan through the samples - this turns out to be a very amazing one finger phrase-pad. So much to explore...

Oh, back to the iLok thing now...

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[trolling]
And I hate eggs. I hate scrambled eggs, boiled eggs, eggs in a glass, eggs on a table. Eggs will get none of my business. And broccoli, broccoli ist just awful, I would have bought it if it wasn't broccoli, but as it is broccoli, it will get none of my business - eat that - period!
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[chaosWyrM]

BAITED

That's how you spell baited without referring to something very private.

is it now?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bated+breath

[chaosWyrM]

I just don't get why iLok-haters think that the whole world should be informed about the fact that they hate iLoks. Why is this of any importance to the rest of the world? And please don't enlighten us, we don't want to know.

i dont get why people who dont get things need to express that they feel their lack of understanding of things means that the people who do understand them shouldnt do them. why is this of any importance to the rest of the world? and please dont enlighten us, we really dont want to know.

at the very least...the discussion of ilok is relevant to the topic...the discussion of the discussion of ilok is not.

[masterhiggins]

I just don't get why iLok-haters think that the whole world should be informed about the fact that they hate iLoks. Why is this of any importance to the rest of the world? And please don't enlighten us, we don't want to know.

i dont get why people who dont get things need to express that they feel their lack of understanding of things means that the people who do understand them shouldnt do them. why is this of any importance to the rest of the world?

Probably because it's annoying and detracts from discussion about what the plugin is rather than what it's not.

[chaosWyrM]

I just don't get why iLok-haters think that the whole world should be informed about the fact that they hate iLoks. Why is this of any importance to the rest of the world? And please don't enlighten us, we don't want to know.

i dont get why people who dont get things need to express that they feel their lack of understanding of things means that the people who do understand them shouldnt do them. why is this of any importance to the rest of the world?

Probably because it's annoying and detracts from discussion about what the plugin is rather than what it's not.

hmmm...pretty sure i said not to enlighten us...you must have forgot to quote that part.

obviously its important in some way for the people who mention it. how does commenting on posts that dont meet your approval help with the discussion of what the plug in is? and by the way...people getting their panties all in a bunch over something thats not important to them is also quite annoying.

none of this thread is important at all. whats so important about coming on this forum and gushing about a plugin? a statement about a negative is as valid as a statement about a positive...whether people like it or not.

zynaptiq decided to use pace/ilok, so now its part of"what the plugin is". who are you (or anyone) to determine for everyone else which aspects of the plugin are worth talking about and which are not?

[zynaptiq]

Hey all,

let me say that we have a good support guy and that if you're having trouble running PACE stuff chances are we'll have you up and running with MORPH really quickly. I remember being annoyed with PACE instability back in the day when you still needed a floppy for the response code, but that's like - what? - 20 years ago? Since then I've had maybe a dozen computer systems, both Mac and Windows based, and have produced 50+ records and sample libraries without *any* PACE related stability issues. Their latest stuff is really solid (well, in my experience, of course).

At any rate, I've met the PACE people in person at several tradeshows, had drinks with them, and they're really nice people that care very much about their stuff working well and painlessly. Maybe you guys should give it a go to see whether the latest and greatest works just fine for you. *Definitely* report any issues you run into to them so they can fix any issues.

Cheers,
Denis

[robotmonkey]

zynaptiq decided to use pace/ilok, so now its part of"what the plugin is". who are you (or anyone) to determine for everyone else which aspects of the plugin are worth talking about and which are not?

I think that hits the nail in the head. The PACE/iLok has become a toxic brand for a reason. And it is inevitable that anyone associated with it will get some well deserved negative remarks. I know places that had to let people go during the latest big PACE screw up that was not so long ago.

[zynaptiq]

And it is inevitable that anyone associated with it will get some well deserved negative remarks.

Sorry, I don't agree that we deserve any negativity. We're really cool people making awesome software. Meet me at Musikmesse for a single malt and I'm sure you will agree.

-d

[robotmonkey]

And it is inevitable that anyone associated with it will get some well deserved negative remarks.

Sorry, I don't agree that we deserve any negativity. We're really cool people making awesome software. Meet me at Musikmesse for a single malt and I'm sure you will agree.

-d

It's not only that PACE has become deservedly toxic brand. It's also that iLok is pretty much a punishment for paying customers that is a source of negativity.

[Ben H]

EDIT: nvm.

Morph looks awesome BTW! Definitely saving up to purchase this!!!

[zynaptiq]

It's also that iLok is pretty much a punishment for paying customers that is a source of negativity.

OK, listen up. I'm going to ignore any PR-best-practices recommendations and be direct about this. You can rant about PACE however much you want, but if you imply that WE are "punishing our customers", you're crossing a line. Your opinion is one thing, your preferences are another, and I'm not going to argue with those – but dissing us because of your personal dislikes is inappropriate. If you want to insult me, that's fine, but please be respectful enough to do so in person

Also, you don't NEED an iLok. You can activate a machine.

-d

[Krakatau]

You know what else I hate? Keys.

Car keys, house keys... any keys really... because you can lose them... or forget them.

And well, let's face it... we should just be able to leave our houses and cars unlocked without fear of people breaking into them and stealing them... or stuff in them.

Think I'm going to stop using cars now... and ditch my house for a cardboard box.

What about "Key of success"

[robotmonkey]

It's also that iLok is pretty much a punishment for paying customers that is a source of negativity.

OK, listen up. I'm going to ignore any PR-best-practices recommendations and be direct about this. You can rant about PACE however much you want, but if you imply that WE are "punishing our customers", you're crossing a line. Your opinion is one thing, your preferences are another, and I'm not going to argue with those – but dissing us because of your personal dislikes is inappropriate. If you want to insult me, that's fine, but please be respectful enough to do so in person

Also, you don't NEED an iLok. You can activate a machine.

-d

Now, no need to get upset. But it is still undeniable fact that PACE/iLok is the worst form of DRM available. Not only do they have a long history of f**kups they are an additional hassle for customers who have paid money for their products. And I think it's great that they have gone software only (surely because otherwise they would be at competitive disadvantage). But it is still the most customer unfriendly form of DRM as it puts paying customer at the mercy of external parties. If iLok works, it's not that bad (except that it constantly runs on your computer's memory and takes up additional resources), but if something happens then this is the worst thing that can happen and you are royally screwed. Not only does it result in a lot of wasted time, it often also results in concrete monetary loss for people who depend on it. CP should 100% absolutely never interfere with anyone using their paid for software and PACE/iLok has a pretty bad record on that.

There are plenty of great companies that seems to manage to have both - great products and support and a customer friendly form of CP. Image-Line, Fabfilter, PSP, Camel Audio (formerly), u-he come immediately to mind.