KVR Audio

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:10 pm

i think it should be possible to connect several Matrix to one synth (Malstrom, for example) using a Spider CV...

but you'll have to automate the changes of pattern for each Matrix...

anyway, it is less time consuming to use the piano roll, enter your chords progression, group the concerned bars in the sequencer and paste the group at will (if you get me...)

drez · Post by **drez** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:39 pm

[quote="Wopelka"]i think it should be possible to connect several Matrix to one synth (Malstrom, for example) using a Spider CV...
[quote]

Which is really cool! You can get some cool layering going on...then run the matrix curve and gate CV's to a Spider and now you can control a ton of parameters on the layered synths. Very cool.

drez · Post by **drez** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 6:43 pm

Even if you were gonna step sequence in the matrix polyphonic (which you can't), its just as easy to do it in the piano roll.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:22 am

Rabid wrote:Too bad Synapse does not have a cross grade offer. I would find Orion Platinum 5.5 much more useful than Reason or FL Studio.

That's not such a bad idea, I will mention it to Rich and see what he thinks.

lucille · Post by **lucille** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 7:16 am

Sorry, but pasting in the sequencer is not the
same as having polyphonic patterns: the beauty of
patterns is that you can compose numerous varios
and then click beteeen them and develop ideas: pasting in the sequence is much more linear and static. This is the appeal of the arrange window
in Ableton. A polyphinc matrix, or paste polyphonic
patten to matrix function would approxiamate LIVE4
functionality in Reason.

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 8:15 am

drez wrote:
Wopelka wrote:i think it should be possible to connect several Matrix to one synth (Malstrom, for example) using a Spider CV...

Which is really cool! You can get some cool layering going on...then run the matrix curve and gate CV's to a Spider and now you can control a ton of parameters on the layered synths. Very cool.

I wired several Matrices to an NNXT the other day through a spider cv merge but did not achieve the hoped for ployphony.I was trying to drive a keymapped drumkit pattern-style,to avoid ReDrum's 10 sample limit and use filters on individual drums.I entered triggers where I thought they should go by time and sample key assignment using 4 Matrices,but got no sound at all,whereas I did with only one Matrix,which was not the point.Whether or not polyphony via multiple Matrices to a single instrument is possible is therefore an unsettled question based on my experience.
I settled for mono writing one part at a time(eg kick,hat,etc)then sending midi to track.Awfully tedious work and suggestive of a strong case for a polyphonic Matrix.For the purpose I describe alone,such a module would be welcome.
I have very occasionally used Orion drum machines from the demo rewired to Sonar,and would buy it if I had a more favorable impression or the synths;I'm not saying they're bad,but I just don't care for them as I have heard them,and they do not inspire me to program them.
I have little appetite or aptitude for piano rolls in any program.Though I am pattern-minded,I have always found them to be the most counterintuitive and difficult part of making music with computers.It is far easier for me to play what I want until I get it right than edit,much less generate,the part there.But the while the TR-style programming of ReDrum or Orion does work for me,I do sometimes find myself using the Orion piano roll to edit drums where I wouldn't in Sonar or Reason-go figure.Perhaps I do have a taste in piano rolls after all.
This has been a meandering rout through my take on some of the issues in this thread,and leads me to say that my best use for the Matrix is as a modulator,in the absence of a mod matrix (excuse the pun) in NNXT.My next round of programming is taking shape to use Matrix's curve out with spider cv to address NNXT's rear panel mod inputs.What it may lack as a sequencer,the Matrix may make up for as a programable lfo and looping eg.

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:53 am

"But the while the TR-style programming of ReDrum or Orion does work for me,I do sometimes find myself using the Orion piano roll to edit drums where I wouldn't in Sonar or Reason-go figure."

That makes perfect sense because Orion's piano roll is very smooth and easy to work in. You might want to take a closer look at FL's piano roll as well because it's also extremely easy to use. It has a problem with an extreme limitation on zooming and it's too dark so I keep finding myself getting closer and closer to the screen, but the way it's tools work are about as good as it gets. One tool does pretty much everything with a key modifyers. No such luck in Sonar. Reason's piano roll is not nearly as bad as Sonar's but still rather clunky.

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:09 pm

Uh, sounds to me like too much work to "make some music"... I think you're making it unnecessarily complicated... All the wiring in the world ain't going to write the melody... which is what most people are drawn too!

Good Luck!

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:26 pm

TeeLangSun wrote:"But the while the TR-style programming of ReDrum or Orion does work for me,I do sometimes find myself using the Orion piano roll to edit drums where I wouldn't in Sonar or Reason-go figure."

That makes perfect sense because Orion's piano roll is very smooth and easy to work in. You might want to take a closer look at FL's piano roll as well because it's also extremely easy to use. It has a problem with an extreme limitation on zooming and it's too dark so I keep finding myself getting closer and closer to the screen, but the way it's tools work are about as good as it gets. One tool does pretty much everything with a key modifyers. No such luck in Sonar. Reason's piano roll is not nearly as bad as Sonar's but still rather clunky.

don't know Orion's piano roll (yet) but i agree with the rest of your observations. Just a slight difference, though: i love the dark look of FL's one. Swell and handy IMO.

As far as i know, FL's piano roll is unbeatable

DHR53 wrote:Uh, sounds to me like too much work to "make some music"... I think you're making it unnecessarily complicated... All the wiring in the world ain't going to write the melody... which is what most people are drawn too!

and the point is... ?

DHR53 · Post by **DHR53** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 12:56 pm

After reading that description... it's the first thing that came to MY mind... The other day I was in a store playing with one of those African Kalimba thingys, and I was thinking... this thing is awesome! Great music coming from a simple wood box with some metal strips tied to it... Seems with all the computer stuff some people make it more of a technical exercise...

Wopelka · Post by **Wopelka** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:15 pm

DHR53 wrote:After reading that description... it's the first thing that came to MY mind... The other day I was in a store playing with one of those African Kalimba thingys, and I was thinking... this thing is awesome! Great music coming from a simple wood box with some metal strips tied to it... Seems with all the computer stuff some people make it more of a technical exercise...

i see what you mean, and i agree that music isn't just a technical issue.

but i'm sure you'll agree that a painter should be in a position to discuss the respective qualities of his brush hairs without confounding this issue with the wrapping light that illumines the scene he wants to paint.

Mirabebe · Post by **Mirabebe** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:32 pm

TeeLangSun wrote: You might want to take a closer look at FL's piano roll as well because it's also extremely easy to use. It has a problem with an extreme limitation on zooming

It zooms down to "pixel per PPQ". Set your PPQ higher - and zoom strength increases.

PPQ can be located in Project Settings.

Rabid · Post by **Rabid** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 2:48 pm

DHR53 wrote:After reading that description... it's the first thing that came to MY mind... The other day I was in a store playing with one of those African Kalimba thingys, and I was thinking... this thing is awesome! Great music coming from a simple wood box with some metal strips tied to it... Seems with all the computer stuff some people make it more of a technical exercise...

While that is true, it is also important to get ideas down without frustration or distraction. Inspiration can be fleeting so timing is crucial.

Robert

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:31 pm

Mirabebe wrote:
TeeLangSun wrote: You might want to take a closer look at FL's piano roll as well because it's also extremely easy to use. It has a problem with an extreme limitation on zooming
It zooms down to "pixel per PPQ". Set your PPQ higher - and zoom strength increases.

PPQ can be located in Project Settings.

I never would have guessed that changing the PPQ would effect the visual zoom. These two things are unrelated in applications like Orion Platinum. Thanks for the tip.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:57 am

Wopelka wrote:don't know Orion's piano roll (yet) but i agree with the rest of your observations. Just a slight difference, though: i love the dark look of FL's one. Swell and handy IMO.

As far as i know, FL's piano roll is unbeatable

I find I'm forever having to change tools and the zoom is less than perfect. I find ORION's PR more than adequate. The only tool I would like is a zoom-to-fit button or, better yet, automatic zoom-to-fit.

I finally tried the Orion Plat demo last night.