Another warez user featured in an FM video?

[Passing Bye]

So if I hadn't made it clear enough yet, my issue is with companies in FM's line of work promoting pirated software. That's my position. I could care less about the artist's choices. I don't know him and I don't listen to his stuff.

So they should hide guys ass/his choice by all means instead, ridiculous, so media should cover up anything that can inspire anyone to commit something "not nice" or they will be promoting it, let's skip everything horrible that is happening and just shape up nice story instead, everything is peaches, nothing bad is happening, we don't want to promote it and take responsibility if you one day blame us for your crime.

[UncleAge]

The question is, why didn't they edit it out? Really looks to me like they were out to boost sales of their mag. Which is of course really bad style.

A question they should be compelled to answer. But that's not going to happen.

[e@rs]

So it's not an edit by FM to hide it. But it seems they skipped some close-ups with full frontal Sylenth.

If they have two or more sources to cut into that reel then it is an edit by FM to hide it. That registered area does not appear in those screencasts because they were edited out. And more importantly the partial "TEA" that was still in frame was left in on purpose too.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't in the room during the editing process so I can't say for sure, but it is my understanding that in general everything left in the final production is done so on purpose. They know what they did. And they will continue to do so as long as it doesn't hurt their bottom line.

You quoted just a part of what I was saying. Strictly at 5:39 (if I remember right), when the 'TE/' appears, it's not an edit by FM. The rest of the video around that time seems edited so that close-up Sylenth doesn't show.

[UncleAge]

So if I hadn't made it clear enough yet, my issue is with companies in FM's line of work promoting pirated software. That's my position. I could care less about the artist's choices. I don't know him and I don't listen to his stuff.

So they should hide guys ass/his choice by all means instead, ridiculous, so media should cover up anything that can inspire anyone to commit something "not nice" or they will be promoting it, let's skip everything horrible that is happening and just shape up nice story instead, everything is peaches, nothing bad is happening, we don't want to promote it and take responsibility if you one day blame us for your crime.

In my world "not nice" and "illegal" are not synonyms. And once again, I am not chasing the end-user. I am stating that the company who receives money from other companies trying to sell software in their publication should not be promoting those who use pirated software. I never said they should hunt end-users down in some investigative report. I don't see any grey area here so at best we'll have to "agree to disagree".

[FarleyCZ]

So if I hadn't made it clear enough yet, my issue is with companies in FM's line of work promoting pirated software. That's my position. I could care less about the artist's choices. I don't know him and I don't listen to his stuff.

So they should hide guys ass/his choice by all means instead, ridiculous, so media should cover up anything that can inspire anyone to commit something "not nice" or they will be promoting it, let's skip everything horrible that is happening and just shape up nice story instead, everything is peaches, nothing bad is happening, we don't want to promote it and take responsibility if you one day blame us for your crime.

This is not exactly the core of the issue. Your point is valid, but it suppose that everyone knows this is a bad thing. That is a wrong assumption. Target group of these videos aren't old dogs that knows this industry well. These are aimed at youngsters desperate for success. Any expenses like software price is somthing that considerably slows them down. ...well and when they see their idols using warez, they just logically conclude using warez is OK. "If Garrix/Aviici/Aoki/Kill Frenzy can use it, why not me?" ...this sets a precedent in their minds making warez natural form of software, not paying for any VST in the future at all. This is the danger.

[UncleAge]

So it's not an edit by FM to hide it. But it seems they skipped some close-ups with full frontal Sylenth.

If they have two or more sources to cut into that reel then it is an edit by FM to hide it. That registered area does not appear in those screencasts because they were edited out. And more importantly the partial "TEA" that was still in frame was left in on purpose too.

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't in the room during the editing process so I can't say for sure, but it is my understanding that in general everything left in the final production is done so on purpose. They know what they did. And they will continue to do so as long as it doesn't hurt their bottom line.

You quoted just a part of what I was saying. Strictly at 5:39 (if I remember right), when the 'TE/' appears, it's not an edit by FM. The rest of the video around that time seems edited so that close-up Sylenth doesn't show.

I know I quoted just a part of your text. I only wanted to comment on that part. See I'm not so sure the subject on the video was trying to hide anything. The plugin window had been front and center in that screencast for quite some time. When he finally moves it out of the way it may be for other reasons. When and how much the viewer gets to see in that vid is a result of the edit. Of course its also possible that I am giving the editor too much credit.

[spaceman]

Having said all that, you do wonder how many people would actually spot "TEA" in that split second it's on screen, and then actually also know what it is? I had no idea until reading this thread, and I wouldn't even look at a detail like that when watching a video like that.

Anywho, it was spotted, it is what it is and it's a damn shame this happens. You'd expect professionals to know better and show some respect for the tools that help them make money.

[FarleyCZ]

Having said all that, you do wonder how many people would actually spot "TEA" in that split second it's on screen, and then actually also know what it is?

...again, look at those Garrix and Aviici videos. Full label in it's beauty. It's not just about this case. It seems to be quite normal for FM...

[phdsg vn chfhn]

i don't see why FM is at fault here?
why should they whitewash the whole scene?
this lazy "artist" is responsible here.
he's using warezed software and he's clearly trying to hide it.
and i say lazy because there are easier ways of hiding warez if FM comes to visit...

[tehlord]

May i remind again that we're talking about 2 or 3 letters, and nowhere in the video "TEAM AiR" is really to be seen?

I want it cleared up. A proof that it isn't Team AiR should be easy to produce, but likely it is not.

You never know. Ruben from Lennardigital posted on their forums that most big artists spotted with warezed versions actually did own a legit version. So really I wouldn't pre-judge. Of course IF it is a warezed version in that video, which is my main point.

It doesn't matter whether the video showing an artist actually has the licence or not, there are legal implications to using the pirated version, let alone the publishers moral obligation NOT to 'as good as' condone using the pirated versions of software by flouting in their producer videos again and again.

edit - because you get utter morons (in this very thread for example) saying that this kind of thing is good promotion for plugin devs...but....whaa....

[FarleyCZ]

i don't see why FM is at fault here?
why should they whitewash the whole scene?
this lazy "artist" is responsible here.
he's using warezed software and he's clearly trying to hide it.
and i say lazy because there are easier ways of hiding warez if FM comes to visit...

Yes, responsibility should be on artist's shoulders, but FM makes this thing publically accepted by publishing those videos. That's kind of indirect responsibility, but with much larger consequences. Thus they should be more careful about what they publish as this hurts developers in long run.

[chk071]

edit - because you get utter morons (in this very thread for example) saying that this kind of thing is good promotion for plugin devs...but....whaa....

I wouldn't claim so. On the other hand, it's more than likely that FM uses this kind of controversy to promote their mag. Otherwise they wouldn't publish the 10th video with artists using warez now.

[tehlord]

edit - because you get utter morons (in this very thread for example) saying that this kind of thing is good promotion for plugin devs...but....whaa....

I wouldn't claim so. On the other hand, it's more than likely that FM uses this kind of controversy to promote their mag. Otherwise they wouldn't publish the 10th video with artists using warez now.

When your advertisers start threatening to pull their advertising Euros, you can be sure your plan isn't working. Especially when said advertisers are of the IBC, OBC, IFC variety.

[Passing Bye]

I am stating that the company who receives money from other companies trying to sell software in their publication should not be promoting those who use pirated software.

I see your point, agree

Target group of these videos aren't old dogs that knows this industry well. These are aimed at youngsters desperate for success. Any expenses like software price is somthing that considerably slows them down. ...well and when they see their idols using warez, they just logically conclude using warez is OK. "If Garrix/Aviici/Aoki/Kill Frenzy can use it, why not me?" ...this sets a precedent in their minds making warez natural form of software, not paying for any VST in the future at all. This is the danger.

Yeah, bigger is damage in showing the truth in this case, no matter how I stand with media/censorship/manipulations and all, there's that fine line of just not causing even worst chain of reaction, especially if your motives may be not that honest, if FM wanted to fight piracy, they would make whole article about it shaming them, there's a way, this clearly ain't that one

[Kriminal]

Has anyone contacted FM about the subject?

Maybe they will print an apology...