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Orbit-50 · Post by **Orbit-50** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:11 pm

Compyfox wrote:It is always about promotion. Heck, even if we talk "critical" down to "bad reports" about a company, it is free promotion.

Still - at this day and age, where tools don't cost an arm and a leg anymore, and especially if you earn a fair amount of money from what you do... why do that?! Especially if you have a company over videotaping what you're doing and therefore pulling even more attention to you.
This can only massively backfire and is not adding to your reputation.

Maybe they are trying to attract all the "dick bags" of the world. I guess their business accounts for something according to FM Mag.

.-.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:21 pm

robotmonkey wrote:
tehlord wrote: It doesn't matter whether the video showing an artist actually has the licence or not, there are legal implications to using the pirated version, let alone the publishers moral obligation NOT to 'as good as' condone using the pirated versions of software by flouting in their producer videos again and again.

edit - because you get utter morons (in this very thread for example) saying that this kind of thing is good promotion for plugin devs...but....whaa....
Actually you are wrong on both accounts. First, having a legal license makes it perfectly ok to use a patched copy. Maybe not formally but certainly it's ok morally. For example when a piece of software uses annoying and/or malfunctioning copy protection there's nothing wrong in patching it out. Just one example: Korg Legacy, for some strange reason, needed re-authorization pretty much every time I opened Ableton and after disconnecting audio interface. Finally I just got so sick and tired re-authorizing it pretty much the every other day that I just had to solve this problem once and for all.

Actually, it was legal here for some time (don't know how it is now) to use no-CD or no-DVD patches for games here, if you felt like the copy protection was too much of a hassle for you. Of course, also like many EU laws, it's sort of a catch-22 thing, because you aren't supposed to override copy protections, and most of the sites where you can download no-CD patches are illegal. Just like when you copy a film DVD, it's perfectly legal to do so, if you own it. But it's illegal to break the copy protection. As most, if not all, film DVD's nowadays come with copy protection anyway, you can figure what you're allowed to do.

Typical populistic law BS which should suggest you are free to do things, while in fact you aren't.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 6:54 pm

Oh yeah - Germany is special in terms of "copyright laws".

What is a private copy, what is not a private copy?
What is a violation of the TOS, what is not?
What is a grey zone, what is clearly illegal?

And it seems to change at a weekly basis, or depending on the viewpoint of the judging people involved.

Definitely a constant hot topic.

tehlord · Post by **tehlord** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:08 pm

robotmonkey wrote:
And second, it has been proven ten times over by a credible independent academic research into music and film piracy that the people who pirate most also buy most. So pirates are actually the best clients.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:14 pm

Compyfox wrote:Oh yeah - Germany is special in terms of "copyright laws".

What is a private copy, what is not a private copy?
What is a violation of the TOS, what is not?
What is a grey zone, what is clearly illegal?

And it seems to change at a weekly basis, or depending on the viewpoint of the judging people involved.

Definitely a constant hot topic.

Yep.

Seems like a never ending balancing act between industry and customer demands.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:17 pm

tehlord wrote:
robotmonkey wrote:
And second, it has been proven ten times over by a credible independent academic research into music and film piracy that the people who pirate most also buy most. So pirates are actually the best clients.

Dear RIAA: Pirates Buy More. Full Stop. Deal With It.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121 ... h-it.shtml

Study finds pirates 10 times more likely to buy music
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/a ... more-music

Study: pirates biggest music buyers. Labels: yeah, right
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009 ... age-folks/

Piracy study shows illegal downloaders more likely to pay for films than music
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... oad-damage

Just couple of random links from popular media.

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:36 pm

robotmonkey wrote: Dear RIAA: Pirates Buy More. Full Stop. Deal With It.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121 ... h-it.shtml

Study finds pirates 10 times more likely to buy music
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2009/a ... more-music

Study: pirates biggest music buyers. Labels: yeah, right
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009 ... age-folks/

Piracy study shows illegal downloaders more likely to pay for films than music
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2 ... oad-damage

Just couple of random links from popular media.

interesting reading, thanks.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:38 pm

chk071 wrote:The question is, why didn't they edit it out? Really looks to me like they were out to boost sales of their mag. Which is of course really bad style.

Never attribute to malice that which can more easily be attributed to accident (or stupidity).

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:42 pm

spaceman wrote:Having said all that, you do wonder how many people would actually spot "TEA" in that split second it's on screen, and then actually also know what it is? I had no idea until reading this thread, and I wouldn't even look at a detail like that when watching a video like that.

1. Many other occasions like this are available to learn from around the web.

2. Reading about warez problems on the web provides similar info.

3. If you start out being given "free" software by friends or co-workers, you have first-hand experience.

4. I do look for stuff like this because it bugs the crap out of me when people make money using pirated tools.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:52 pm

chk071 wrote: [...]why would they publish a series of videos with artists using warezed plugins otherwise? It may happen to you once, then you get a lot of negative feedback, and publicity (bad publicity may be good publicity in this case), and then you double and triple check every shot of the artists plugins, so you can avoid showing "TEAM AiR" as the registered user name. It may even be weighing up the negative impact of your videos, and the plugin companies which will decided to not advertise on your mag anymore, or give you plugins for testing purposes, and the benefit of the bad publicity you get over yet another video with warezed stuff. The fact that it's always FM videos make me even more think that it could be the case that they do it intentionally.

Have you seen how many typos are in the Future Publishing magazines?!? These things are thrown together by rushed people who care nothing for "useless" details. They don't even proofread (and who DOES these days??). It would not shock me at all to find that they've repeatedly "oopsed" the situation. If there are no serious consequences, there's no manager drilling the need for care and attention to detail into the heads of the video production team (hah, probably one guy).

Once again: incompetence is far more likely than deliberate conspiracy to generate controversy.

dnekm · Post by **dnekm** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:54 pm

tehlord wrote:
robotmonkey wrote:
And second, it has been proven ten times over by a credible independent academic research into music and film piracy that the people who pirate most also buy most. So pirates are actually the best clients.

If I could only stop laughing.....

dnekm · Post by **dnekm** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:15 am

I cannot resist....

So pirates are actually the best clients.

So, someone who downloads your paid for product, labour of love, your creation..... is actually the best customer because they will never, ever pay for that which they have already downloaded?

This is twisty logic at it best/worst.....

Arcane Master · Post by **Arcane Master** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:18 am

Jace-BeOS wrote: 4. I do look for stuff like this because it bugs the crap out of me when people make money using pirated tools.

It's silly to go around worrying about what others are doing. No doubt there are many other more important things you could be doing. What good does looking for it and finding it do you? All it probably does is add to your stress level. What good is that for you? Or maybe you find out who these people are and you go find and kill them to satisfy yourself

Who knows!

dnekm · Post by **dnekm** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:29 am

Is it just me or is there a sudden abundance of warez apologist/supporters on this forum lately?

Did I miss something?

Arcane Master · Post by **Arcane Master** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:33 am

dnekm wrote:Is it just me or is there a sudden abundance of warez apologist/supporters on this forum lately?

Did I miss something?

You're only seeing what you want to see.

Another warez user featured in an FM video?