Another warez user featured in an FM video?

[She Changed Her Mind]

Why you don't sue the "artist" in the video? Make an example. This videos where they flaunt cracked software getting worse more and more. Where are we? This people making money by harming you and so the rest of us.

That needs to be LennarDigital's call. I don't think we'd have a case.

Lennar did not publicize the vids, or was even a partner in their production afaik. So there is no need to assume, at this moment of speaking, that it was at request of FM when Lennar tried to 'defend' certain artists who etc. etc..

When Lennar has defended the artists at the first opportunity, why should they -now- to be supposed to sue them? Makes no sense. What would be the reason to first defend someone.. and then.. sue them for the SAME reason? LOL

Otherwise FM would not have re-edited the vids, I assume. There must be SOME reason why they did it.

Because FM is responsible for the vids in question. In other words: the case got too hot for FM, I suppose. They did subsequently re-edited the vids AFTER Lennar made their public announcement about 'what was going on'. It's about a series of vids afaik

Lennar did this on own initiative. Again: as we know it; no one forced them to make such a statement in the first place. FM would possibly not approve to the statement of Lennar. That could be the only possible reason; FM did not pay attention until Lennar made a call concerned to the VIDEOS in question. Why.. probably because Lennar felt 'uncomfortable' with the release of the vids after people were starting a rumour about those at the net.

FM didn't feel uncomfortable about the vids as far as we know.. until Lennar made a public call about the vids in question. Speaking of calling...

Not because of suing the artists, on the contrary; by defending (without ANY proof, sources or whatsoever) the artists in question. Attempt to total neglectance of any concept of ethics afaik. As has been made by Lennar IMHO.

So I guess your above suggestion -suing the artists in question- was meant ironic, I assume.

Otherwise we were not tolkien here. Right now. That's why there is such a thing existing, sometimes.. somewhere in our minds, which is usually called: suspicion.

Ain't rock science nor conspiracy theory afaiac

The vids were known for a while by then. This isn't exactly the first video afaik.

I rest my case

[t3toooo]

After the retarded statement of Lennar Digital they could not do anything else than re-edit the vids, I suppose.
Because that made it even worse. Lennar was not forced by anyone to make a statement about how -, why - and by whom their app was cracked.

Curious.

I guess he is sitting at home picking his nose all day long and laughing his ass off about so much naivety.


Seriously,anybody thinks Lennar is not reading this thread?

Beside that,this gives a good impression about "their" marketing strategies,which can be best caught by mentioning and pointing the finger on it.

Reporting those videos to youtube which clearly shows the use of warezed software would be a good step in the right direction,the more reports the better.


And many thanks to Urs,ahh i feel it's time to buy a new u-he synth.

[chk071]

Out of interest: Where is that statement from Lennard regarding artists warezing their stuff?

[She Changed Her Mind]

After the retarded statement of Lennar Digital they could not do anything else than re-edit the vids, I suppose.
Because that made it even worse. Lennar was not forced by anyone to make a statement about how -, why - and by whom their app was cracked.

Curious.

I guess he is sitting at home picking his nose all day long and laughing his ass off about so much naivety.


Seriously,anybody thinks Lennar is not reading this thread?

Beside that,this gives a good impression about "their" marketing strategies,which can be best caught by mentioning and pointing the finger on it.

Reporting those videos to youtube which clearly shows the use of warezed software would be a good step in the right direction,the more reports the better.


And many thanks to Urs,ahh i feel it's time to buy a new u-he synth.

Oh really? Well, if Lennar Digital did defend these artists and did not sue them, Urs won't have ANY case at all.. this is becoming ridiculous.

Btw you can't have any proof of the marketing strategy of Lennar. That was not what Urs meant, I assume. I said 'how' it was cracked. A teaser.. to see who pays attention lmao

Anyhow, this app could be something I'd like to purchase after the next updat.
Maybe; if we are going to play it that way.. I assume Sylenth1 is a popular synth and this incident will not change this fact as far as I can see it. It's not too clever. Ok. No need for jumping on white horses or some.

We all make mistakes. Well.. anyway

Let's face it: a lot of people enjoy both the artists and the app. It's all about entertainment, not? We're not talking about biscuits, are we?

[Tricky-Loops]

When Avicii is using warez, it's called "advertisement".
When Steve Aoki is using warez, it's called "computer error".
When Average Joe is using warez, it's called "crime".

[t3toooo]

We all make mistakes. Well.. anyway

Sure,but Lennar is giving a wet shit about it,that's no mistake.

[t3toooo]

We all make mistakes. Well.. anyway

Sure,but Lennar is giving a wet shit about it,that's no mistake.

Why don't you write Lennar,i'm sure he will all clear up and then you can buy his synth without regret and i will apologize.

[Tricky-Loops]

We all make mistakes. Well.. anyway

Sure,but Lennar is giving a wet shit about it,that's no mistake.

How do you know that? Maybe he just prefers talking with them privately without bashing them publicly at KVR?

[She Changed Her Mind]

We all make mistakes. Well.. anyway

Sure,but Lennar is giving a wet shit about it,that's no mistake.

Lol, why should they? I am getting bored. Music is all about air pressure anywayz. Too silly to discuss *omnomnom*

PS when I am famous I'll write Lennar. How I eh made my presets

[Compyfox]

Otherwise FM would not have re-edited the vids, I assume. There must be SOME reason why they did it.

Well the current video is not edited to "censor" the topic. If they'd edit the video post the first "warez" debates, the video link would have changed. I just checked, and the video is still there. Nothing was changed/altered.


But let's take a closer look again, shall we?



We start at the 5:11min mark, where Kill Frenzy is starting to talk about using Synlenth as "additional synth layer". Here we see a "full sceeen" of the Mac running Ableton Live.

At 5:17, we still see the full screen (total angle on the main camera), and Kill Frenzy moves the GUI around a bit to show the arrangement. Now the next part is getting interesting. The GUI is still in the middle of the host in total view, but once KF starts talking about "messing with the filters" at about 5:30min to 5:38min, we see a zoomed in image(!) of the top left Sylenth GUI. Which doesn't make any sense, be cause the next shots show the filter settings just fine and he didn't do any automation anyway.

At 5:38min, we see the full GUI of both Ableton Live and Sylenth again just fine. And the part that kicked off this discussion is at this particular mark:


KF moved the Sylenth GUI out of the way to show the arrangement again. And now we see a "full GUI" view of Ableton. However, there was no reason to move the GUI another time. We see the infamous three letters TEA on the in the lower third section to the video, where the "License name" if usually displayed on the Sylenth GUI.

I can understand the mouse movements, sometimes users are just lazy to fully move over to the buttons that close the GUI. What is not(!) understandable to me is the "zomming in" of the Synth GUI, because there really was no need to emphasize on the filter section of the synth.


So who messed up in this case?
It's hard to tell. Obviously KF uses a "grey zone" version of Sylenth and FM tried to cover it up. Yet they didn't catch everything. Those that are not known with or aware of the "warez scene" might not get these three letters. But it was enough to kick off waves after was happened the last 3-4 times with Lennar Digital and Ohmforce.




This really sparks a whole different question: are music magazines still worth it?

IMO, music mags don't offer anything for me anymore in terms of news (KVR and GS are way faster on that end and complement each other really well), articles (they're getting more and more scarce in terms of information) or tutorials (software developers slowly discover YouTube!). I can get samples and VST/VSTi through Rekkerd, BPB, KVR and GS - way faster, and with way more background info. The "exclusive" stuff is sometimes not that exclusive either. I still have a Recording Magazin subscription, but only because of the SAE DVDs (which are getting shorter with each release every two months!). And to be honest, Youtube is really catching up in terms of quality and information. Recent magazines I bought were only because of "LE" versions. And that was last autumn. (still waiting for KEYS or BEAT to drop a Cubase 8 LE special, but Steinberg can't get their heads out of the sand!).

Article wise, I rather prefer pages that are not(!) biased in terms of opinions, or show of as being paid advertisements. I mean, I am still annoyed at the constant "you have to master loud" topics. And one article that really ticked me off two years ago (in Recording Magazine) was the non-telling one about the "Auro3D" technology. For example: what does it tell me if the interview is like: "and this is how it sounds with the 'Voice of God'" "inverviewer turns on speaker above me and I'm like 'cool' ", next paragraph talks about nothing in particular - no audio demos on the webpage for backup either, etc...

If I'd get a magazine now... then only because of special bundled content. But even then, I do not agree to pay 15quids for an import (looking at you, CM, sold through a German retailer rather than ordering directly and waiting 6 weeks for arrival).




Urs:
If there'd be a way, and you're really pursuing to remove the promotion, then I'd ask for special termination rights and back that up with ethical issues. You already asked them to clear this up, they didn't. So this might be a solution to not stick with them for another year.

[t3toooo]

We all make mistakes. Well.. anyway

Sure,but Lennar is giving a wet shit about it,that's no mistake.

How do you know that? Maybe he just prefers talking with them privately without bashing them publicly at KVR?

Sure,i don't know and i agree piracy should be best talked silently without public interests,i guess the next days the video will disappear and that would be the answer for all the questions in this thread.
After all it's his synth and his business,to report promoted warez on youtube costs Lennar one mail and youtube usually acts very fast to remove those videos,It's that easy.

[She Changed Her Mind]

Out of interest: Where is that statement from Lennard regarding artists warezing their stuff?

In fact: Lennar Digital did not make the statement in particular to the artists in question, as I made up out from your own previous post in this thread, though FM did re-edited the vids anyhow.

So this question is answered afaiac, whether they did not make this statement in particular -or not- to mentioned artists. Who else, anyway??? That aside this discussion. The rumour speaks for itself by now, I suppose.

I just waited if someone would take the bait. And FM did; as far as I can recall the events. On purpose. Without doubt. Obviously, because of the activities of Lennar whatsoever. So in fact: Lennar did care. The were the ONLY one who actually DID care. Everyone happy.

[Crackbaby]

Ahh... the first post in this thread says something about 5:39 when the TEA is at 5:20 ... still visible so video is probably not edited.

[Tricky-Loops]

This really sparks a whole different question: are music magazines still worth it?

Imagine you're traveling with the Deutsche Bahn (terrible thought, yes, but better than in India ), and you'd like to read something (on paper) without any display!

[Crackbaby]

Out of interest: Where is that statement from Lennard regarding artists warezing their stuff?

In fact: Lennar Digital did not make the statement in particular to the artists in question, as I made up out from your own previous post in this thread, though FM did re-edited the vids anyhow.

So this question is answered afaiac, whether they did not make this statement in particular -or not- to mentioned artists. Who else, anyway??? That aside this discussion. The rumour speaks for itself by now, I suppose.

I just waited if someone would take the bait. And FM did; as far as I can recall the events. On purpose. Without doubt. Obviously, because of the activities of Lennar whatsoever. So in fact: Lennar did care. The were the ONLY one who actually DID care. Everyone happy.

But where is it?