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Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:26 pm

Sooooo... did anyone here who is concerned about the video contact the magazine?

spaceman · Post by **spaceman** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:41 pm

Kriminal wrote:Sooooo... did anyone here who is concerned about the video contact the magazine?

No. This works on the principles of karma. One just has to complain a lot on the interwebs from one's armchair and then everything somehow gets sorted out through some magical universal balance.

It works on politics as well.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:46 pm

spaceman wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Sooooo... did anyone here who is concerned about the video contact the magazine?
No. This works on the principles of karma. One just has to complain a lot on the interwebs from one's armchair and then everything somehow gets sorted out through some magical universal balance.

It works on politics as well.

....but very true

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:58 pm

I think this thread lacks some like and dislike Facebook buttons.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:18 pm

All of these problems stem from greed and corruption at the very top. I could go on a huge political rant about what the super-super rich do with money, how it's being siphoned away from the masses and to the 0.1%, how they socialize debt but privatize profit, how VIPs get away with blue murder, up to and including covering up for child torturers and rapists... it's not austerity, it's robbery. Etc, etc. You've heard it all and don't need me to parrot it back. But that doesn't make it untrue.

You take money away from people and crime will go up. If we all had a reasonably fair share of money "Why should I pay for that?" would morph into "Why wouldn't I want to support the developers and get even cooler stuff next year?". Not only are we ran by and dictated to by the very embodiment of greed (because corporate and political culture has become a filter that almost only allows through psychopaths), but we're also TOLD to look UP to these people, so being selfish is going to be a trend. It's the culture of the self. Ayn Rand is spinning in her grave - with delight.

If you do something kind, nobody notices. If you kill a bunch of people on your way to oblivion, you're remembered, your killcount is reported like at the end of a game, you're given a cute nickname, studied - people want to know all about you. If we stopped worshipping cruelty, it would go down - because people would know it's not a shortcut to fame.

Here in the UK at least, there's a huge elepant in the room, and the elephant is basically crushing us, but we're all too polite to shoot the damn thing in the head and feast on it's corpse.

Piracy is something I try to discourage people from doing, because I care about devs, but come on, look at the bigger picture in play here. You can slice morality, which is a big, multidimensional object, into one cross section, then look at you and someone else and see you are "better than" these people, because you have never pirated, because you used to pirate but have stopped, because you couldn't even concieve of it, because you never sampled from an unlicenced source - even if you suspected some of those licenced sources were actually originally stolen *cough AMEN cough TIME AND SPACE cough*. But the truth is always a bit more messy and in some ways we're all going to be better and "more moral" than others in different ways, and that very morality it's-self is constantly changing, and to some degree subjective.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:29 pm

Kriminal wrote:Sooooo... did anyone here who is concerned about the video contact the magazine?

It would be great if some more people did.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:49 pm

Urs wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Sooooo... did anyone here who is concerned about the video contact the magazine?
It would be great if some more people did.

More advertisers would have to pull out and subscribers would have to cancel.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:54 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote:
Urs wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Sooooo... did anyone here who is concerned about the video contact the magazine?
It would be great if some more people did.
More advertisers would have to pull out and subscribers would have to cancel.

This. It needs to hit their bottom line. Emailing them to say "I lost respect for your publication" probably won't do much, even if hundreds of emails were sent. But does anyone even really need FM now we have the internet and forums like KVR and Gearsluts?

I actually think endorsing piracy like this is way worse morally than privately pirating and putzing about with the latest plugins. It's sending out a clear message - it's cool to pirate and paying is for chumps.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:05 pm

I'm in agreement with most of what Sendy said above, in regard to the behavior of people and of the funneling of wealth to 1% of the populous. However, I don't think people do cruel things because cruelty is considered cool (the exception being sarcasm and insults; psychological abuse is still violence, though, and people will keep assaulting each other in that way until it stops being regarded as fun and entertaining to be verbally abusive).

I think the the psychotic outbursts have a lot of origin in the state of many people being somewhat miserable with their lives. The use of antidepressants that make their users impulsive is another cause that's being ignored and suppressed by corporate PR, propaganda and lobbying.

Lose your impulse control and all kinds of horrible shit might happen that you wouldn't ever have done otherwise. Do you really think a pilot would ram a plane into the ground with innocent passengers on board if he was merely sad? Antidepressants were found in his residence. Instead of the drugs being held as a contributing cause of irrational behavior, I suspect the "terrible character" of the man will instead be the focus of blame for the incident.

Make people live with serious deficits in their Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and then pump them full of psychotropic chemicals, or drive them to self-medicate... It's not rocket science. Hell, psychiatry isn't science either, which is the key problem with it.

I don't think most people who do crappy things actually set out to be glorified in the media, post-mortem. I think they're just fed up and beyond rational sense. I don't think most people who are shitty to each other do it for glory. Sometimes ego gratification. Sometimes entertainment. Most assholes don't really admit to being assholes. It's not a goal for people.

t3toooo · Post by **t3toooo** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:57 pm

spaceman wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Sooooo... did anyone here who is concerned about the video contact the magazine?
No. This works on the principles of karma. One just has to complain a lot on the interwebs from one's armchair and then everything somehow gets sorted out through some magical universal balance.

It works on politics as well.

To summarize this thread.

FM produced those video(s) where such jerks are forced to use cracked/warezed software.
Otherwise FM could suggest to not use warezed plugins but they don't,so it is their responsibility,right? (because they produced the videos,remember?

)

This thread is about FM and the use of pirated software in their videos,right?

Lenny just need to write one f**king mail to youtube to get the vids completely removed,it is that easy and i f**king repeat myself again and again and again and again and again......

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:13 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote:The use of antidepressants that make their users impulsive is another cause that's being ignored and suppressed by corporate PR, propaganda and lobbying.

Lose your impulse control and all kinds of horrible shit might happen that you wouldn't ever have done otherwise. Do you really think a pilot would ram a plane into the ground with innocent passengers on board if he was merely sad? Antidepressants were found in his residence. Instead of the drugs being held as a contributing cause of irrational behavior, I suspect the "terrible character" of the man will instead be the focus of blame for the incident.

Make people live with serious deficits in their Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and then pump them full of psychotropic chemicals, or drive them to self-medicate... It's not rocket science. Hell, psychiatry isn't science either, which is the key problem with it.

They're still investigating whether the NON-USE or the USE of meds (he got them from different neurologists) played a role in the behavior of the co-pilot (his remains are just a few small body parts, so it's difficult to make a blood test). Furthermore, he obviously had a bipolar personality disorder, not only a depression. Almost all suicidal people with depressions would only kill themselves, except in serious cases a few relatives, but not 149 other, innocent (!) people - amok running isn't a symptom of depressions but rather of personality disorders...

But I cannot further elaborate as it's a HPC subject...

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:24 pm

However, just because many politicians and entrepreneurs are even more greedy shouldn't be an excuse for using warez...

FM gets its money from - quite pricey - advertisements for developers like Urs and other ones - they cannot take the money of the buying, honest customers of developers on one side and don't care about warez on the other side!

She Changed Her Mind · Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:54 am

And why should YOU care? Everything is coincedence. Besides, the people at the top are chosen by the people.. yes, they were.
The first rule of Coincedence is not hard to follow; every ass can do it. That's a matter of religion. The nature of the beast ha ha ha
Don't tell me it was born out of ANY intelligence lol
Can't be, because.. because Everything is Coincedence.
Next thing you will propose is that no one is responsible for their own actions. Because that is exactly what Coincedence wants from YOU, innit?

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 2:24 am

She Changed Her Mind wrote:... the people at the top are chosen by the people.. yes, they were.

This is not true. The systems in place are self-reinforcing. There's a lot less democracy than people tend to think. Same goes for industry and market. Free market is largely a myth.

She Changed Her Mind wrote:Next thing you will propose is that no one is responsible for their own actions.

People are responsible for their own actions right up until their neurology is compromised by extreme duress or chemical modification or injury. Doctors generally don't tell antidepressant users "this drug might dramatically change your personality for the worst". If you trust in healthcare, and everyone [wrongly] believes that personality is somehow magically separate from neurochemistry and entirely up to the will of the individual, how is a person to know when their behavior is really their own? When you break the machine, it doesn't then rationalize "I am broken and therefore my actions are incorrect and I shall refrain".

She Changed Her Mind · Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:15 am

'If you trust in healthcare, and everyone [wrongly] believes that personality is somehow magically separate from neurochemistry and entirely up to the will of the individual, how is a person to know when their behavior is really their own?'

Then again.. how could you trust in healthcare if you can't trust people in the first place? Makes no sense. And science does not come up with solutions, just with MORE illusions.. because humanity will not end today. So where it will stop? 10 billion? 20 billion? 30 billion? Yeah.. sure.

In other words: science does not have created, or brought, ANY realistic view in this world, whatever you say. On the contrary! And I am not even religious!

Sorry, but people come first. That is no matter of believe, but of existence: warez or no warez

Another warez user featured in an FM video?