KVR Audio

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 10:55 am

I agree, different is different. It's will be important to some no doubt, and not to others.

Anyhow, I'm looking forward to hearing the new engine and using V2. I also feel it looks like a bit of a 1.5 rather than 2, but I'll wait till it's released. Still happy for an update either way.

I like how Tone2 update their synths tbh, the just seem to improve them by steps rather than bring out drastically different new versions.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:04 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:Well, if you are a professional, nobody forces you to upgrade

Wat?

On the contrary, compatibility with other workers on a project often forces an upgrade.

Or your old machine dies and you need one for work. But the new one won't run the old plugin because only the new one got the updates...etc, etc

fluffy_little_something wrote:Anyway, more likely than not you old projects will sound better with V2. Maybe very slightly different, but better. You might hear the difference and at first think different means worse, but to others it probably sounds better than before.

It's about artistic intent. Let's take a different example. ANA aliases like a mofo at time. But there are times when that aliasing makes precisely the right noise at the right time in a track. If they 'upgrade' it to remove that, then for that track, it is not an improvement. It's not better. It's just different for all the wrong reasons.

Being able to either switch in the old behaviour or run the two versions side by side is the solution. It's not rocket science.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:20 am

Why don't you just try it instead of speculating? The demo is already V2, so you can install that in some other folder. Then you can just replace the dll's without having to install and uninstall stuff (i.e. pull dll v1 to the desktop and dll v2 to where dll v1 used to be, and then the other way round). Mix your old project down with both versions and compare.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:32 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:Why don't you just try it instead of speculating? The demo is already V2, so you can install that in some other folder. Then you can just replace the dll's without having to install and uninstall stuff (i.e. pull dll v1 to the desktop and dll v2 to where dll v1 used to be, and then the other way round). Mix your old project down with both versions and compare.

Except there is no speculation involved here. The statement from the company itself explicitly says that V2 has a more analog sound. If that is true, then it has to sound different from V1 even if it's nothing more than a decibel of volume and a fraction of EQ around 1k. Those differences alone will mean the project will have to be remixed. There is no way around it. If there is NO difference in sound then the engine can't be different and Tone 2's claims are nothing but marketing hype and lies.

It's one or the other.

Different is different, no matter how subtle or small.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:36 am

In theory that is correct of course, there will be slight changes in the sound. But I don't get your problem. It is not that v1 is 10 years old and no longer runs on modern computers. So if you think your previous mixes are so perfect, why upgrade in the first place?! Just ignore v2...

Robmobius · Post by **Robmobius** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:44 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:why upgrade in the first place?! Just ignore v2...

This is it...

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:47 am

fluffy_little_something wrote:In theory that is correct of course, there will be slight changes in the sound. But I don't get your problem. It is not that v1 is 10 years old and no longer runs on modern computers. So if you think your previous mixes are so perfect, why upgrade in the first place?! Just ignore v2...

The poster above already explained why sometimes you have no choice but to upgrade, such as when collaborating with others.

This is pointless.

Time to get back to work.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:09 pm

Why not keep a copy of the DLL file for version 1 (besides the old Installer)? More simple than using the installer if you just need the old plugin for a short time.

I do this for several plugins, especially during beta tests.

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:16 pm

Didn't realize the demo was 2.0. I just tried it out. I hope they're not done with that GUI it's clearly got defects.

I think it sounds a little different, didn't do any side-by-side comparison. It's still got that basic tone2 character that people might not like, but it's capable of sounding quite organic.

Anyway, just 10 minutes mucking about with it. Seems more like a 1.5 than a 2.0 though.

Nightpolymath · Post by **Nightpolymath** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:24 pm

Good feedback in this thread. It sounds like there is really no compelling reason to upgrade.

Freaqpeak · Post by **Freaqpeak** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:04 pm

You still fail to explain how something can be warmer, bigger and "better" (!?) without being different.
"Better" is just a matter of taste, or what you want to use the sound for.

If you make a sound that sounds "thin" and "small" - why in the hell would you want it to sound "warm" and "big" after upgrading to version 2?? Doesn't make any sense.

Why not just make another patch that fits the criteria of "warm" and "big" from the start?
Using EQ, Reverb and Limiting (which is probably what Tone2 has done to make it sound "better" in the first place - I know that they are using a hardcoded limiter on the output to make their synths sound "better").

If you made a movie score to make something sound "thin" and "small" in certain part of the film - wouldn't you want that to stay so?

It's just the usual gimicks, buzzwords and false sales pitch used by some companies... Sorry.

fluffy_little_something · Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:26 pm

Unless you have tested and compared it, suggesting that what used to sound thin now sounds big seems wild speculation to me.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:36 pm

wagtunes wrote:@Murnau

Here is your exact quote out of your own mouth.

I didn't found they sound really that "different" only better, warmer, bigger.
If it's better, warmer, bigger, then it's DIFFERENT.

You yourself said, not THAT different. But different non the less.

Therefore, I rest my case. V1 presets WILL sound different when played in the V2 engine, even if that only means, as in YOUR OWN WORDS...

BETTER...WARMER...BIGGER.

Some people. Sheeesh.

No it is not different in a way that i had to heavy rework them. You must have some mental issues obviously. Maybe a doc could help you? tho i am not sure could be it's probably inoperable.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:41 pm

Ingonator wrote:Why not keep a copy of the DLL file for version 1 (besides the old Installer)? More simple than using the installer if you just need the old plugin for a short time.

I do this for several plugins, especially during beta tests.

I already mentioned that.It seems to be a to easy solution. Could be because the problem is in reality non existent.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:43 pm

murnau wrote:
wagtunes wrote:@Murnau

Here is your exact quote out of your own mouth.

I didn't found they sound really that "different" only better, warmer, bigger.
If it's better, warmer, bigger, then it's DIFFERENT.

You yourself said, not THAT different. But different non the less.

Therefore, I rest my case. V1 presets WILL sound different when played in the V2 engine, even if that only means, as in YOUR OWN WORDS...

BETTER...WARMER...BIGGER.

Some people. Sheeesh.
No it is not different in a way that i had to heavy rework them. You must have some mental issues obviously. Maybe a doc could help you? tho i am not sure could be it's probably inoperable.

Well, I guess when we have no other arguments we have to resort to insults. I have run into many rude and obnoxious people in my day but you sir take the cake.

It seems the only thing inoperable is your lack of manners.

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