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gaf_thit · Post by **gaf_thit** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:34 pm

rustman wrote:Somebody buy it and let us know if it's larger than the Tiny Rapture on the screen. As for the Sweetwater price mentioned above- that is the same upgrade price that I saw on the Cakewalk site. $99.

Yes, I just wondered how they came to 'special' price of $119 - $20. Haven't seen the price $119 anywhere. And cakewalk doesn't list sonar and/or z3ta as viable for upgrade. Maybe it'll updated... just makes me wonder.

rustman · Post by **rustman** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:50 pm

gaf_thit wrote:
rustman wrote:Somebody buy it and let us know if it's larger than the Tiny Rapture on the screen. As for the Sweetwater price mentioned above- that is the same upgrade price that I saw on the Cakewalk site. $99.
Yes, I just wondered how they came to 'special' price of $119 - $20. Haven't seen the price $119 anywhere. And cakewalk doesn't list sonar and/or z3ta as viable for upgrade. Maybe it'll updated... just makes me wonder.

Yeah, I realized what you meant about the$119 price after I posted. However, I just cut this from the Cakewalk site:

I'm new to Cakewalk $149 (reg. $199)
I own Rapture $99 (reg. $119)
I own Dimension Pro $99 (reg $119)
I own Z3TA+ 2 $99 (reg $119)
I own any SONAR $99 (reg $119)
I own SONAR Platinum $79

jdnz · Post by **jdnz** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:53 pm

gaf_thit wrote: Yes, I just wondered how they came to 'special' price of $119 - $20. Haven't seen the price $119 anywhere. And cakewalk doesn't list sonar and/or z3ta as viable for upgrade. Maybe it'll updated... just makes me wonder.

on the pricing pane (http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/Rapture) it explicitly lists the same $99 upgrade price for owners of original Rapture, and the same price for anyone with Dimension Pro, Zeta2+ or ANY non-platinum version of Sonar.

alvfaria · Post by **alvfaria** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:36 pm

Wait for the sales (they always do sales)

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:45 pm

If no one buys it, it will be a no-brainer next year and then be given away for free with the CM Mag!

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:54 pm

Only if they're about to release Rapture Pro 2.

Actually some people here predicted that something like Rapture Pro would come. I wrote somewhere that i couldn't imagine it. Proven wrong once again...

wetdentist · Post by **wetdentist** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:55 pm

as someone who loves Rapture (but doesn't even have DimPro installed anymore because I never use it), I am gonna hold off on this one. yes, I hate its current browser, but I took the time a few years ago to make tagged & categorized .ksd files of all my favorite 100s of Rapture presets for my Kore 2. so I'm good to go already

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:58 pm

chk071 wrote:Only if they're about to release Rapture Pro 2. Actually some people here predicted that something like Rapture Pro would come. I wrote somewhere that i couldn't imagine it. Proven wrong once again...

I was waiting for Dimension Pro Deluxe Ultimate with 40 GB of samples...

Gribs · Post by **Gribs** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:58 pm

I own Rapture and Dimension Pro licenses, both purchased as synths back in the day with no Sonar (and Zeta+ and Zeta+2 and Zeta+2 iOS). The new Rapture looks nice, but really... $99 ...not sure. I have not opened the old Cakewalk plugins in a very long time and in fact have never installed them on the newest DAW PC that I built over a year ago. I think that if I am going to jump on a deal for current license owners atm it would more likely be the $149 Arturia upgrade to V Collection for owners of 3 licensed Arturia products. I am Kompletely open to spending $$ for upgrades, if you katch my drift, but... hmm.

Proxima4 · Post by **Proxima4** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:01 pm

I can't say, that with all it's functionality it looks to be a better plugin, you might not agree with me, I too have been waiting for an upgrade to Rapture, but this plugin looks like an overcooked pizza, with everything on it. It's gonna loose it's charm and raw feeling of wave table cleverness, by trying to please too many people.

I wanted a better/brighter and bigger GUI with clearer and simpler control over the step sequencers with clearer understanding of routing through effects that lends itself towards quicker patch building.

Under the hood, some beefier sample control for granular stuff, some analogue filters and effects such as multi-tap delay's, smear phazors and new distortion.

And that's about it, on whole, less would be more with Rapture, this Pro thing, just looks boring. but I'm yet to see a full in depth demo, for that, I think I can wait.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:10 pm

I personally would like to see more sample content from different developers. The Anderson/DSF & EDM guys they've always used tends to pigeon hole it into a certain sound that's not nearly as useful for me as other developers. I like the new browser. But the sound has to be improved also. I can definitely wait for a sale or its inclusion in the next Platinum update.

RLSguitar · Post by **RLSguitar** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:19 pm

Since Cakewalk was purchased by Gibson Brands, Inc., anything or everything may change with respect to management, product development, marketing strategies, pricing and sales. So don't expect the same sales tactics as before when Roland owned Cakewalk. Gibson will price as much as they can for their products. Just look how expensive are their guitars, so I would expect very limited discounts and there may never be a big discounted sale price. Also look at how they changed the business model and pricing for the Sonar line.

Unless they have a new management philosophy and improved processes, I wouldn't expect much either with respect to R&D, bug fixes and customer support if you aren't a famous mainstream music artist or corporation. However, I do expect them to behave a bit better than most corporations since I think they are still a privately held company that isn't traded on the stock market, so their owners may actually care somewhat for their company, products and customers' needs. But they are a large company with several divisions, so they do have their bureaucracy that will affect the effectiveness of care to the individual consumer. That is in my very, very humble opinion.

Dewdman42 · Post by **Dewdman42** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:09 pm

I'm kinda happy to see that Cakewalk is reviving these two synths as one and I think its a nice repackaging, but I agree with some others, the upgrade pricing for those of us that already have both synths, is steep, unless it turns out to have enough new capability as to be really earth shatteringly better. I got them cheap, I admit, but aside from a facelift, they are not suddenly worth more money from what I can tell, unless they have been substantially improved in some ways. We'll see. Doesn't look like I will be able to justify it though. I just threw down for Omnisphere recently and looking forward to Omni2, I doubt these cakewalk synths would get much attention from me. On top of that, I use a mac and its risky at best to buy mac software from cakewalk.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:57 pm

Dewdman42 wrote:I'm kinda happy to see that Cakewalk is reviving these two synths as one and I think its a nice repackaging, but I agree with some others, the upgrade pricing for those of us that already have both synths, is steep, unless it turns out to have enough new capability as to be really earth shatteringly better. I got them cheap, I admit, but aside from a facelift, they are not suddenly worth more money from what I can tell, unless they have been substantially improved in some ways. We'll see. Doesn't look like I will be able to justify it though. I just threw down for Omnisphere recently and looking forward to Omni2, I doubt these cakewalk synths would get much attention from me. On top of that, I use a mac and its risky at best to buy mac software from cakewalk.

IDK, but with Omni in your arsenal, these Sonar Synths seem superficial and unnecessary.

DimPro and Rapture (Along with a coupon for Z3ta+2 free) all came with Sonar X for me, so much of the money spent on them has had more to do with the sound libraries and hoping they would make them better. And more often than not, I find them disappointing. The one out of the three I like best is Rapture though and it seems to me that Omni is closer to a Roland sound than Sonar is. So I guess it depends on what we're looking for to fit our needs. Much of the Sonar comes down to already owning it in a NFR state anyway (and in fact, having multiple licenses of the first two coming in with every update of Sonar). They're great synths that I use only slightly and sporatically though.

Another one I choose to wait and see (and hear) the new updates on before jumping on in hope - to be disappointed in again. Unless it does drop to a no-brainer on 'included with update' price.

piel · Post by **piel** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:16 pm

rustman wrote:
Yeah, I realized what you meant about the$119 price after I posted. However, I just cut this from the Cakewalk site:

I'm new to Cakewalk $149 (reg. $199)
I own Rapture $99 (reg. $119)
I own Dimension Pro $99 (reg $119)
I own Z3TA+ 2 $99 (reg $119)
I own any SONAR $99 (reg $119)
I own SONAR Platinum $79

I own Rapture, Dimension Pro, Z3ta+2, Sonar X3 (not platinum)
I paid almost full price for them (some of them started 199$, i think i got rapture for 99€ the Z3ta upgrade was way more than 25$) except for sonar (that was relatively cheap)
First i was excited about this because i like their stuff but there is no way i would pay 99$ amongst these circumstances.

Cakewalk Rapture Pro Announced :)