KVR Audio

Johnnycarcaz · Post by **Johnnycarcaz** » Thu Jul 15, 2004 11:17 pm

I like so many others are in love with this program.
I feel like the big issue effecting the qaulity of my sets is creating break downs.

Deleting the stops does make for good transitions in some cases, but a break down is needed in a lot more cases. I am doing drum&bass which can go from one extreme to another.

thanks for the read
-j

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:49 am

How do you create your "breack downs" in other seqeuncers?
(Just so to know exactly what you are talking about)

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Johnnycarcaz · Post by **Johnnycarcaz** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:50 am

when I do a break down in my song I generally drop out elements and use altered beat to distract you to what has already happend then drop in another part. This would be hard to coordinate seeing as my break downs are usuall no longer than 2 measures, sometimes 4.

Just trying to get the work flow down.

-j

ToneDunce · Post by **ToneDunce** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:07 am

Do you mean to say that this creation has to occur in a live perfomance situation where you just don't have time to sequence anything fancy but need to wrap up a track or phrase?

Johnnycarcaz · Post by **Johnnycarcaz** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:42 am

Exactly.

There are so many things that can be going on that it is easy to miss making a break down. I have experimented with creating a break down in 4 measure, the first 2 or 3 measures being empty.

Also some tips on making break downs from loops on the fly would be nice

-j

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:31 am

If you take the effort to pre-program a few things, then it seems the new follow actions in Live4 are just made for you. You can combine different clips by telling each clip what should follow when it has played to end. So you can automatically jump like crazy between clips, and a 'action' can be as short as a 16th. You even have the choice to program 2 different follow actions and tell the program the likelyhood for each to take place. Random clip selection is also possible.
The typical bar-bar-bar-break loop for example would be one of the easiest things to set up with follow actions.

The current Live4 beta-version is still valid until next tuesday - I recommend you try it to see if that's what you need.

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:51 am

dr.wackler wrote: The typical bar-bar-bar-break loop for example would be one of the easiest things to set up with follow actions.

You can also do things like this by unlinking envelopes from the clip length and stretching them out to lengths of 3 or four times the length of the original clip. You can then do all kinds of crazy stuff in the last loop of the clip (or in the middle).

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:56 am

kuniklo wrote:You can also do things like this by unlinking envelopes from the clip length and stretching them out to lengths of 3 or four times the length of the original clip.

Do you say there is a function/shortcut to stretch envelopes? Please say "yes" and tell me where and how!

aaastronomer · Post by **aaastronomer** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:09 pm

wouldn't you use scenes for this?

in a succession of scenes, you just remove the clips you want out and add the alternates you want in...

any special effects you want for a particular clip, in the last scene it'll be in, would seem to require creating an alternate clip (effected and trimmed, however desired)...

to do this in realtime would, i think, require an instance of live and an instance of some other app (e.g., sound forge 7) running at the same time and some way of moving an altered version of some clip from the alteration app to a directory that live could use to access the clip when necessary...

at least this would seem to be a possibility in versions before 4

now, i work out all my variations and scenes before hand and in my "live" (bedroom) sessions, i just drop the variations into scenes down (or up) stream from one the currently playing...then jump to that scene...(you need to disable clip previewing, of course)...

drez · Post by **drez** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 6:09 pm

dr.wackler wrote:
kuniklo wrote:You can also do things like this by unlinking envelopes from the clip length and stretching them out to lengths of 3 or four times the length of the original clip.
Do you say there is a function/shortcut to stretch envelopes? Please say "yes" and tell me where and how!

I've only got the Live4 beta manual, but search for "Unlinking" in the PDF and it will show you how. Basically if you have say a 4 bar loop, you can click the Unlink button and then drag the end marker of the loop out as far as you want and it will keep looping those 4 bars until it hits the new "extended" marker. You can then do whatever clip envelope work you want in the new section and it will do those automations as it plays.

Very cool indeed.

Johnnycarcaz · Post by **Johnnycarcaz** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:23 pm

Wow I need to get at a non-work computer ASAP so I can jump on the Live4 boat, huh?

I never upgraded my version from 1.5 (bought it used). Only get to play with Live3 on a friends machine. I do see in my crystal ball buying this on the first run, hrrmmmm maybe second since burningman is in august.........

drooling over the new features
-j

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:07 pm

dr.wackler wrote:
kuniklo wrote:You can also do things like this by unlinking envelopes from the clip length and stretching them out to lengths of 3 or four times the length of the original clip.
Do you say there is a function/shortcut to stretch envelopes? Please say "yes" and tell me where and how!

I guess "stretch" is a poor word here.

"Lengthen" is probably better. You can unlink your clip and envelope and then set the length of the envelope to some multiple of the length of the clip and then go to town.

I wish Live 4 allowed warp markers on midi clips. Maybe in 4.1.

r_module · Post by **r_module** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 4:06 am

dr.wackler wrote:...stretch envelopes?

"classic" unlink tasks are:

- fade out/in of clips (over several bars)
- altering of static drumloops (breaks or variations after x bars set by the offset-envelope)
- loooooooooong modulations (by midi-ctrl-envelopes / live4)

greets, r_module

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 8:38 am

Thanks guys for explaining the well known unlinked envelopes.

Actually my question was if it's possible to "stretch" an envelope - you know, something like holding the Alt key and dragging the the rightmost env point or a trick like that.... that's how you "stretch" a MIDI sequence (incl. controller-curves = 'envelopes') in Logic for example.

But as you said, kuniklo, you meant "lengthen"...

r_module · Post by **r_module** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:12 am

dr.wackler wrote:that's how you "stretch" a MIDI sequence (incl. controller-curves = 'envelopes') in Logic for example.

I bet these cool funcs only run on mac's!

Creating break downs in Ableton Live. PLEASE HELP!