Apple Acquires Camel Audio

[Fleer]

Yeah, weird that it's only included in MainStage.
On the other hand, MainStage has always been a weird animal, only costing 30 bucks for all the instruments, sounds and samples included in Logic
Still, I was primarily happy because of the Redmatica inclusion, albeit only partly. This made me think that maybe, just maybe, Alchemy could eventually get into Logic

[fmr]

Yeah, weird that it's only included in MainStage.
On the other hand, MainStage has always been a weird animal, only costing 30 bucks for all the instruments, sounds and samples included in Logic
Still, I was primarily happy because of the Redmatica inclusion, albeit only partly. This made me think that maybe, just maybe, Alchemy could eventually get into Logic

That's why I got it It's also good to test Virtual Instruments and to do patch creation. Of course, it doesn't support VST format, only AU (and now, only 64-bit AU).

[elxsound]

Yeah, weird that it's only included in MainStage.
On the other hand, MainStage has always been a weird animal, only costing 30 bucks for all the instruments, sounds and samples included in Logic
Still, I was primarily happy because of the Redmatica inclusion, albeit only partly. This made me think that maybe, just maybe, Alchemy could eventually get into Logic

That's why I got it It's also good to test Virtual Instruments and to do patch creation. Of course, it doesn't support VST format, only AU (and now, only 64-bit AU).

This is very interesting to hear! I was completely unaware they included this, and I'm also just as puzzled that it was only included in MainStage and not Logic, but still interesting to read. I won't go so far as to say it's good news, because Keymap was my interest, but I also used the built-in autosampler from Keymap in my workflow too.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Yeah, weird that it's only included in MainStage.
On the other hand, MainStage has always been a weird animal, only costing 30 bucks for all the instruments, sounds and samples included in Logic
Still, I was primarily happy because of the Redmatica inclusion, albeit only partly. This made me think that maybe, just maybe, Alchemy could eventually get into Logic

That's why I got it It's also good to test Virtual Instruments and to do patch creation. Of course, it doesn't support VST format, only AU (and now, only 64-bit AU).

This is very interesting to hear! I was completely unaware they included this, and I'm also just as puzzled that it was only included in MainStage and not Logic, but still interesting to read. I won't go so far as to say it's good news, because Keymap was my interest, but I also used the built-in autosampler from Keymap in my workflow too.

it aint over till the fat lady sings. i would bet money (if i had it) that mainstage got this functionality as is, because it was easy to implement. the plans for the other part of the redmatica technology are likely destined to become something much bigger in logic e.g some kind of uber-sampler. in such a case it would make sense for these features to not be rolled out in isolation

i know this scenario has it's doubters, but did apple really buy this guy just to add a couple of features to mainstage that hardly anyone really noticed ??

[elxsound]

Yeah, weird that it's only included in MainStage.
On the other hand, MainStage has always been a weird animal, only costing 30 bucks for all the instruments, sounds and samples included in Logic
Still, I was primarily happy because of the Redmatica inclusion, albeit only partly. This made me think that maybe, just maybe, Alchemy could eventually get into Logic

That's why I got it It's also good to test Virtual Instruments and to do patch creation. Of course, it doesn't support VST format, only AU (and now, only 64-bit AU).

This is very interesting to hear! I was completely unaware they included this, and I'm also just as puzzled that it was only included in MainStage and not Logic, but still interesting to read. I won't go so far as to say it's good news, because Keymap was my interest, but I also used the built-in autosampler from Keymap in my workflow too.

it aint over till the fat lady sings. i would bet money (if i had it) that mainstage got this functionality as is, because it was easy to implement. the plans for the other part of the redmatica technology are likely destined to become something much bigger in logic e.g some kind of uber-sampler. in such a case it would make sense for these features to not be rolled out in isolation

i know this scenario has it's doubters, but did apple really buy this guy just to add a couple of features to mainstage that hardly anyone really noticed ??

It's not so much about doubters as it is about the wide open unknown (included features, workflow, end product availability as well as timeframe of its implementation) and the need for a workflow replacement should Keymap completely lose all its functionality with each new OS iteration.

I sincerely hope we get all that Redmatica offered and I hope we get all that Camel offered, but at the same time, if the experience of losing Redmatica is any indication of what to expect, then we can expect the advice of not holding one's breath as very good advice.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

if the experience of losing Redmatica is any indication of what to expect

again, redmatica hasn't been lost. it's taken some time, but clearly the developer is being put to work

when you considered that ben@camel had already been propositioned some time back, it's not impossible to believe that they had always been waiting for a dreamteam to make their next sampler

but the advice to not hold your breath is sage, if only for the fact that you'll be dead in 10 minutes . but sometime within the next few years i think logic users are going to be very happy

[Fleer]

... exhaling ...

[Fleer]

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

[elxsound]

if the experience of losing Redmatica is any indication of what to expect

again, redmatica hasn't been lost. it's taken some time, but clearly the developer is being put to work

when you considered that ben@camel had already been propositioned some time back, it's not impossible to believe that they had always been waiting for a dreamteam to make their next sampler

but the advice to not hold your breath is sage, if only for the fact that you'll be dead in 10 minutes . but sometime within the next few years i think logic users are going to be very happy

Cleary the developer has been put to work, but yes Redmatica has been lost (it officially closed up shop). It is interesting to see one feature has made it to MainStage, but again there was so much more to Keymap (and that was my point as mentioned previously - in the text not quoted ) that is just not available unless you already own Keymap.

I understand the need and want to remain hopeful, but in addition to not holding one's breath, its important to understand that we have no idea in what way or where Camel's IP will appear in Apple products.

I feel pretty damn confident that this has been mentioned tirelessly in these Camel Audio is gone/bought by apple threads. So for what its worth, if anything or nothing at all... here it is posted again.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

need and want to remain hopeful

for me, it has nothing to do with hope. it just feels obvious

neither camel nor redmatica posed any kind of threat to apple, such that apple would seek to stop them existing as competition. what both these companies do have is technology that apple could clearly use to update a sampler that has long been outdated

i don't need to hope or hold my breath, as i will just carry on carrying on. but if i am still using logic when this comes together, i'm sure i will be a happy bunny. it sounds like you aren't sticking around

[elxsound]

need and want to remain hopeful

for me, it has nothing to do with hope. it just feels obvious

neither camel nor redmatica posed any kind of threat to apple, such that apple would seek to stop them existing as competition. what both these companies do have is technology that apple could clearly use to update a sampler that has long been outdated

i don't need to hope or hold my breath, as i will just carry on carrying on. but if i am still using logic when this comes together, i'm sure i will be a happy bunny. it sounds like you aren't sticking around

Obvious. Hmmm... Not much of any of this was obvious. Obviously no one expected Redmatica or Camel Audio to be purchased by Apple (quite a lengthy thread speculating who bought it seems to help support that) and I think I added my obvious surprise that AutoSampler made it into MainStage but not Logic (in a buyout that is now about 3 years old).

To me, sticking around is a non-issue as neither Redmatica nor Camel Audio are companies that we can stick with (they were bought out... by Apple... Obviously).

Sure I will use what I have until I can't anymore (obviously I have no other choice). I also will carry on carrying on breathing healthily (well, I sure hope so). I also will be happy to see a return of their features... but my whole point (buried somewhere in this) has been that we will have to wait to see in what way if any of these products or maybe just features make their inclusion into some Apple product. That to me is what is obvious.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

need and want to remain hopeful

for me, it has nothing to do with hope. it just feels obvious

neither camel nor redmatica posed any kind of threat to apple, such that apple would seek to stop them existing as competition. what both these companies do have is technology that apple could clearly use to update a sampler that has long been outdated

i don't need to hope or hold my breath, as i will just carry on carrying on. but if i am still using logic when this comes together, i'm sure i will be a happy bunny. it sounds like you aren't sticking around

Obvious. Hmmm... Not much of any of this was obvious. Obviously no one expected Redmatica or Camel Audio to be purchased by Apple (quite a lengthy thread speculating who bought it seems to help support that) and I think I added my obvious surprise that AutoSampler made it into MainStage but not Logic (in a buyout that is now about 3 years old).

To me, sticking around is a non-issue as neither Redmatica nor Camel Audio are companies that we can stick with (they were bought out... by Apple... Obviously).

Sure I will use what I have until I can't anymore (obviously I have no other choice). I also will carry on carrying on breathing healthily (well, I sure hope so). I also will be happy to see a return of their features... but my whole point (buried somewhere in this) has been that we will have to wait to see in what way if any of these products or maybe just features make their inclusion into some Apple product. That to me is what is obvious.

clearly, i am not suggesting i knew beforehand. but i think it is not any coincidence that a combination of redmatica and camel tech would make the foundations of an awesome sampler.

like i said, it's obvious TO ME

as i already suggested, it kinda makes sense that mainstage get some features that logic has to wait for. why would keymap and autosampling be offered independently of a sampler ?? or, alternatively, why would such features be grafted onto an aged plug that is likely i need of being rewritten from the ground up ??

and...is 3 years so long in the software world ?? i doubt these things would be rushed

[Numanoid]

My conspiracy theory:

Apple will make sure that Alchemy will not function with the next OSX update, and instead direct OSX user to get the functions in Logic

[U-o]

Really bad support for existing customer.

My experience:

I wanted to sell some of my Camel Audio plugins. I sent email to CamelAudio support week ago, that I want to sell some of my plugins - I just need to find buyer. My inquiry was closed in one day - but without any reply. Now I found buyer, I sent info for finishing licence transfer to CamelAudio support, but got no reply. I sent them another message yesterday. My inquiries are still open... what I did wrong?