KVR Audio

Blue Wind Project · Post by **Blue Wind Project** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:28 pm

gnosis123 wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:I might upgrade, since i own both Rapture and DimPro. Having it all in one synth might be great. I wonder about patch compatibility with those older versions, though.
From what they say, it looks like at least their own old content will work: "Rapture Pro comes fully stocked with over 10GB of new content and 4300+ total presets. Plus, you can use any existing expansion pack for Dimension or Rapture Classic."

I hope so, I have a TON of content I have personally created in Rapture. about 3gb. of samples I've created hundreds of sounds using various VSTi synths and looped them..and used those to create rapture programs...
but if it is not compatible, I can still use my old Rapture. But would still be nice if I could use them in Pro.

Anderton · Post by **Anderton** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:06 pm

Jace-BeOS wrote:@Anderton: Thanks for the "in person" responses.

Well thanks for listening!

I left the program and the platform. If Sonar ever gets rebuilt for Mac OS, I'll be seriously curious (part of the problem is the Windows underpinnings, especially in the flaky UI).

I don't speak for Cakewalk, but I think my flying to Mars is more likely than a Mac version of SONAR. Sorry...

I do appreciate hearing that things are going better at Cakewalk, though. I feel a bit slighted to have missed out on this new/better product care :-/, but I'm glad to hear report that there has been a course correction at Cakewalk.

What a lot of people don't know is that Henry Juszkiewicz is a musician, and that he's been using Cakewalk since the DOS days. With me at Gibson and Henry being CEO, suffice it to say Cakewalk has strong support from the parent company.

Also: software by subscription? Never ever . I do not "subscribe" to the notion that software is a service, AND I'm poor. I already spent a small fortune on Cakewalk and a fortune on other tools. From now on, I pay once, and never for bug fixes.

Ah, but that's why Cakewalk calls it a "membership" program - Adobe co-opted the word "subscription" and that's not what Cakewalk is doing. You can still buy SONAR upfront without monthly payments. Either way, you get membership for a year so not only do you get bug fixes for a year after buying the program, you also get the new features and content every month. At the end of the year, you essentially have what would have been the next "version" update. In other words, people who update now not only get what SONAR "X4" would have been (i.e., the changes between X3 and now) but also monthly bug fixes, features, and content for the next year.

It's both a gamble and an experiment. The gamble is that if people don't renew, they don't lose any functionality so the onus is on Cakewalk to make people want to renew on the merits of what they've received, not because their software will die if they don't. The company is betting that after a year, people will be so happy with the monthly updates and constant improvements that they will, in fact, want to renew.

I'll let you know how it all worked out a year from now

, but the whole concept is getting off to a good start. At first people thought Cakewalk had "gone Adobe," and the forum hostility was so thick you could cut it with a knife. Once people realized this was a major "course correction" (a good choice of words BTW), they became more open but still skeptical. Now that the program is actually happening, they "get" it and some people think this is the way most software will be sold and distributed in the future. That might be a little optimistic, but it's entirely possible.

Anderton · Post by **Anderton** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:10 pm

Blue Wind Project wrote: I have a TON of content I have personally created in Rapture. about 3gb. of samples I've created hundreds of sounds using various VSTi synths and looped them..and used those to create rapture programs...
but if it is not compatible, I can still use my old Rapture. But would still be nice if I could use them in Pro.

I'm in the same position re user-created samples. Quite a bit of the delay in shipping Rapture Pro was making sure there was compatibility with Dimension Pro and Rapture presets. However, I would encourage you to contact Cakewalk if you encounter any glitches so they can be addressed. The compatibility angle is crucial to users, and Cakewalk is very aware of that.

Jace-BeOS · Post by **Jace-BeOS** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:35 am

The membership thing sounds a bit like Renoise's licensing.

Thanks for the details

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:41 am

Anderton wrote:
Blue Wind Project wrote: I have a TON of content I have personally created in Rapture. about 3gb. of samples I've created hundreds of sounds using various VSTi synths and looped them..and used those to create rapture programs...
but if it is not compatible, I can still use my old Rapture. But would still be nice if I could use them in Pro.
I'm in the same position re user-created samples. Quite a bit of the delay in shipping Rapture Pro was making sure there was compatibility with Dimension Pro and Rapture presets. However, I would encourage you to contact Cakewalk if you encounter any glitches so they can be addressed. The compatibility angle is crucial to users, and Cakewalk is very aware of that.

A little off topic, but It wouldn't kill you to be a slightly more active kvr 'homer'.
(I do realize that pesky 24-hour per day limitation rule is a ruthless master

)

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:15 am

I still hope that Adobe falls flat on their face with their coercive scheme (too bad they probably have the sheer inertia to see it through) - I'm still using CS6 and have no plans on changing that anytime soon.

The way Cakewalk does it is how it should be and how other companies do it for a while without much ado (for instance Sensomusic/Usine comes to mind).
It's actually a good thing when the software company still has some pressure to come up with good stuff which is something that companies like Adobe and Autodesk try to weasel themself out of... Once you are into their schemes, you can't really get out.

But for me personally, the problem is the software itself in the case of Sonar. It's so bloated and overcomplicated in many areas, I never really had fun with it, although some concepts could be nice in theory. I bought the smallest version in a sale (out of pure curiosity really), updated to the medium version because of surround integration some time later, just to find out that everything is so - I don't know how to call it - encrusted maybe? with ages of tinkering about that the end result has the feel of an ancient plant with all those tubes crisscrossing where half of them may no longer be even used or needed, but nobody really knows anymore what's what...

In the end, I now do all my surround work in Bitwig Studio, which doesn't even support surround, but has such flexible routing that it's perfectly possible (and much more fun) to work in surround with it - at least for me.

So to me it will be interesting if Sonar can transform itself into a modern DAW attracting new people without losing the old users. Just bolting new functions on top may not be a solution in the long run.

The integration of Rapture and Dimension on the other hand makes perfect sense to me, since Dimension didn't have much going for itself IMO that Rapture couldn't do.

Interesting times

Cheers,

Tom

Blue Wind Project · Post by **Blue Wind Project** » Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:19 am

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gamecat666 · Post by **gamecat666** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:16 pm

just appeared while i was looking for rapture pro demo vids on youtube

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:35 pm

Take a Tour of Rapture Pro => The Raptour

Going up, Sir?

Mystic · Post by **Mystic** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:36 pm

Question: I've never been a fan of Rapture. I've always felt it lacked a lot of the quality I see with a lot of other synths/samplers out there. What will Rapture Pro be able to do that I can't already do with something like Omnisphere 2 or Serum?

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:47 pm

Mystic wrote: that I can't already do with something like Omnisphere 2

How do you know what Omnisphere 2 can do, when it hasn't been released yet?

Can't really compare two products properly before any of them has been released.

Mystic · Post by **Mystic** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:26 pm

Because I know what Omnisphere 1 can do. Plus, they have shown already what is being added in Omi 2. None the less, compare it to Omni 1 then.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:50 pm

Mystic wrote:Because I know what Omnisphere 1 can do. Plus, they have shown already what is being added in Omi 2. None the less, compare it to Omni 1 then.

OK, lets compare Rapture Pro and Omnisphere 2:

Omnisphere 2 costs 2,5 times as much as Rapture Pro

Fleer · Post by **Fleer** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:53 pm

And you can get Rapture Pro for $66

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:02 pm

Mystic wrote:What will Rapture Pro be able to do that I can't already do with something like Omnisphere 2 or Serum?

Nothing.

Cakewalk Rapture Pro Announced :)