whilst that used to be true m2 has dropped massively lately - a 250gb samsung evo 850 is nz$193 vs nz$170 for sata hereVoice303 wrote:Yes, M.2 is more than twice as fast at certain things but its also twice as expensive.
Omnesphere: SSD or HDD?
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- KVRian
- 1024 posts since 3 Oct, 2011 from Christchurch, New Zealand
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- KVRian
- 835 posts since 28 Apr, 2014 from Texas
Funny, it must have been a very recent drop as I just checked the price a few days ago and now its down to nearly 50% what it was!jdnz wrote:whilst that used to be true m2 has dropped massively lately - a 250gb samsung evo 850 is nz$193 vs nz$170 for sata hereVoice303 wrote:Yes, M.2 is more than twice as fast at certain things but its also twice as expensive.
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- KVRian
- 1162 posts since 21 Jul, 2012
My sample library disc is a 500GB HDD that does 100Mb/s
The bigger patches on Omni (approaching 400mb) take maybe 2 seconds to fully load.
I'm alright with that. Nearly instant load would be nice but for my library disk, 500GB is the minimum and that is still quite expensive in SSD imo.
The bigger patches on Omni (approaching 400mb) take maybe 2 seconds to fully load.
I'm alright with that. Nearly instant load would be nice but for my library disk, 500GB is the minimum and that is still quite expensive in SSD imo.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 851 posts since 26 Jan, 2014 from United States of America
How can you tell at what speed your HDD transmits and receives the data? I am looking on a Seagate web site and it says under the specs for hard drives, "Interface: 6 gb/sec". Interestingly it says- it uses that interface, it does not say it actually exchanging data at this speed. http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-dr ... hdd/#specs This is actually a good question to know what actual speed is HDD data. http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-dr ... hdd/#specs
This makes me think may be I need to add another SSD for recording purposes. My playback is ok from HDD but occasionally it experiences crashes- not playback related- more software synths related.
This makes me think may be I need to add another SSD for recording purposes. My playback is ok from HDD but occasionally it experiences crashes- not playback related- more software synths related.
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- KVRian
- 835 posts since 28 Apr, 2014 from Texas
There are multiple factors that make up the actual performance of a drive. Maximum sequential read / write for even the fastest hard drives barely scrapes past 1Gb/s... A bit over 1/3 of the max SATA2 3Gb/s channel bandwidth.Astralv wrote:How can you tell at what speed your HDD transmits and receives the data? I am looking on a Seagate web site and it says under the specs for hard drives, "Interface: 6 gb/sec". Interestingly it says- it uses that interface, it does not say it actually exchanging data at this speed. http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-dr ... hdd/#specs This is actually a good question to know what actual speed is HDD data. http://www.seagate.com/internal-hard-dr ... hdd/#specs
This makes me think may be I need to add another SSD for recording purposes. My playback is ok from HDD but occasionally it experiences crashes- not playback related- more software synths related.
There is no way in hell a hard drive could ever get close to saturating a 3Gb/s SATA2 link, much less a 6Gb/s SATA3 one.
In random IOPS hard drives are even weaker, coming it at 10-20 times slower than the typical SSD. This isn't really a SATA channel size limitation though.
SW: Cubase 9.5 | Komplete 11 | Omnisphere 2 | Perfect Storm 2.5 | Soundtoys 5
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- KVRian
- 1024 posts since 3 Oct, 2011 from Christchurch, New Zealand
just looked on newegg.com and over there the 250gb 850evo is CHEAPER in m.2 than in 2.5" sata - go figure!Voice303 wrote:Funny, it must have been a very recent drop as I just checked the price a few days ago and now its down to nearly 50% what it was!jdnz wrote:whilst that used to be true m2 has dropped massively lately - a 250gb samsung evo 850 is nz$193 vs nz$170 for sata hereVoice303 wrote:Yes, M.2 is more than twice as fast at certain things but its also twice as expensive.
guess it's a demand thing - all the new laptops are using m.2, nothing like volume to drive prices down
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- KVRian
- 1024 posts since 3 Oct, 2011 from Christchurch, New Zealand
crashes are most likely unrelated to anything with the drive sub-system, just buggy synthsAstralv wrote: This makes me think may be I need to add another SSD for recording purposes. My playback is ok from HDD but occasionally it experiences crashes- not playback related- more software synths related.
as for recording to ssd - if you're ok now you'll gain nothing, even if you're recording at 192k/24 you're still only talking about just over 1mbyte/sec, which is nothing to any modern hard drive.
maybe if you had a 24+ channel interface and were doing live recording it'd be worth it (as much for peace of mind than anything), but also remember that even now ssds age faster the more writes they have, so using one for recording it's not going to last as long as usual.
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- KVRian
- 835 posts since 28 Apr, 2014 from Texas
The catch is that M.2 drive is only 1/2 as fast as the non EVO M.2 in sequential read and write.jdnz wrote:just looked on newegg.com and over there the 250gb 850evo is CHEAPER in m.2 than in 2.5" sata - go figure!Voice303 wrote:Funny, it must have been a very recent drop as I just checked the price a few days ago and now its down to nearly 50% what it was!jdnz wrote:whilst that used to be true m2 has dropped massively lately - a 250gb samsung evo 850 is nz$193 vs nz$170 for sata hereVoice303 wrote:Yes, M.2 is more than twice as fast at certain things but its also twice as expensive.
guess it's a demand thing - all the new laptops are using m.2, nothing like volume to drive prices down
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HW: Steinberg UR28M | Focal Alpha 50 | Fender Jazz Bass | Alesis VI25
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- KVRAF
- 2267 posts since 9 Mar, 2009 from Copenhagen, Denmark
Omni runs on a 512GB SSD with an i7 processor and 32 GB Ram here. Loads as fast as Synth1
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 851 posts since 26 Jan, 2014 from United States of America
Thank you for your replies. Then why would Seagate even write on HDD box that their hard drive has 6 gb/sec interface? Who cares? It is the same cable and port. If it did not matter, they would write 3gb/sec to 6 gb/sec interface. I remember there were hard drives that said 3 gb/sec on the box. You saying- it only implies the port it uses and not actual ability?
How big is Omnesphere 2 going to be? How much space do I really need? (I will likely by 3rd party libraries.) Also will ask again- do you know if it can be installed on Desktop and lap top on the same license?
Thanks.
How big is Omnesphere 2 going to be? How much space do I really need? (I will likely by 3rd party libraries.) Also will ask again- do you know if it can be installed on Desktop and lap top on the same license?
Thanks.
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- KVRian
- 1024 posts since 3 Oct, 2011 from Christchurch, New Zealand
yep - isn't marketting wonderful!!!Astralv wrote:You saying- it only implies the port it uses and not actual ability?
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- KVRAF
- 1782 posts since 4 Sep, 2011 from England
The best PCI-e SSD can read data at 1.2GB per sec. They cost around £916 for a 1.2TB.
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- KVRian
- 1265 posts since 3 Jul, 2009
And the max transfer rate is only 600 Mb/s for the Sata3.0 (6Gb/s) standard. So 6Gb is down to 0.6Gb.. I don´t get it..jdnz wrote:yep - isn't marketting wonderful!!!Astralv wrote:You saying- it only implies the port it uses and not actual ability?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 851 posts since 26 Jan, 2014 from United States of America
Thanks for your replies. Folks at Tomshardware agree with your conclusions. So if I move it to 3 gb/sec, it will not affect recording and playback, I hope...