Cakewalk Rapture Pro Announced :)

[aMUSEd]

the original Rapture folder structure is actually 1 level deeper than the Rapture Pro folder structure so it's not that, even if I copy the sfz files from the old Rapture content folder to the new one they still fail to load unless I load them from the old folder!

check the total path length (directory names+filename) for the 'good' sfz vs the 'bad' - even though it's one level deeper the total path name could be shorter, and the bad one could be going over some internal path length limit in rapture pro (wouldn't be the first plugin where they didn't allow for really long paths)

Good point - so it's

/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Rapture Content/Multisamples/Galbanum Architecture/SFZ MultiSamples/Spectrum Instruments/Gaussian Spectrums/filename

vs

/Volumes/FreeAgent GoFlex Drive/Samples/Cakewalk/Rapture Pro/Multisamples/Galbanum Architecture/SFZ MultiSamples/Spectrum Instruments/Gaussian Spectrums/filename

does look a bit longer - however that doesn't explain why all the other files in the Galbanum Architecture folder (some also in nested subfolders) do load, just not the ones in the Gaussian Spectrums folder.

[digitalboytn]

Minimalism is the goal here too. The only real thing going for Rapture for me was it came with the DAW and is a NFR product. So I really want to use it since the other option is just to uninstall it as abandonware. And since that means owning it for its lifetime, it is good to keep in the tool box.

But seeing the issues are the ones I've dealt with in the past does beg the question of whether the company has chosen to do things differently or continue with a repackaged program they intend on running under the same philosophy with exactly the same issues.

Under this goal of minimalism though, I can't currently see where it will be able to survive my cut list.

I love Rapture and I've had it since it was first released...

It's one of the under rated gems out there....

But the genius behind Rapture,Dimension Pro,Z3TA and many others was Rene Caballos - not anyone at Cakewalk...

Cakewalk are just trying to "continue the tradition" and cash in on his legacy...

There is certainly a great deal of regurgitated,freshly painted and repackaged stuff out there...

Almost identical code with a lick of paint and a new GUI

Z3TA+ 2 was a real winner....although it seems that it had some problems on the OSX platform...

So I'm surprised that Cakewalk released the new version of Rapture without really beta testing it thoroughly,because it seems that it has some very fundamental and major coding issues...

They should have got all of this crap out of the way before it was released...

But Henry's probably happy to have a few lemmings who have paid to get headaches by beta testing it for him

[dnekm]

I am just wondering why Rapture Pro has a "demo mode" when there is no demo to download and try.....

That just seems to screw customers by design.....

[BBFG#]

Minimalism is the goal here too. The only real thing going for Rapture for me was it came with the DAW and is a NFR product. So I really want to use it since the other option is just to uninstall it as abandonware. And since that means owning it for its lifetime, it is good to keep in the tool box.
But seeing the issues are the ones I've dealt with in the past does beg the question of whether the company has chosen to do things differently or continue with a repackaged program they intend on running under the same philosophy with exactly the same issues.
Under this goal of minimalism though, I can't currently see where it will be able to survive my cut list.

I love Rapture and I've had it since it was first released...
It's one of the under rated gems out there....
But the genius behind Rapture,Dimension Pro,Z3TA and many others was Rene Caballos - not anyone at Cakewalk...
Cakewalk are just trying to "continue the tradition" and cash in on his legacy...
There is certainly a great deal of regurgitated,freshly painted and repackaged stuff out there...
Almost identical code with a lick of paint and a new GUI
Z3TA+ 2 was a real winner....although it seems that it had some problems on the OSX platform...

So I'm surprised that Cakewalk released the new version of Rapture without really beta testing it thoroughly,because it seems that it has some very fundamental and major coding issues...
They should have got all of this crap out of the way before it was released...
But Henry's probably happy to have a few lemmings who have paid to get headaches by beta testing it for him

I do agree Rapture is mostly under rated and out of the three is my personal favorite.
Ironically, Z3ta+2, which I find also to be a good synth and has worked with only a few problems when first setting up, recently decided it can't find the programs anymore, even after I point them out for it. Putting off having to un- and re-install them.
So I'm not really surprised that Cakewalk released the new version without thorough testing. It's become almost par for the course in many ways TBH.

[DrumAddict]

lol , unbelievabale bug or it is supposed this way from cakewalk

if you log out in the command center in the settings page (not just close the command center) , and login again with your name and pass it showed the red lights again that you did not have installed Rapture Pro , i believe some temporairly files gets deleted on log off

simple question to the cakewalk guys which are reading this topic , why ?

[arachnaut]

But the genius behind Rapture,Dimension Pro,Z3TA and many others was Rene Caballos - not anyone at Cakewalk...

Cakewalk are just trying to "continue the tradition" and cash in on his legacy...

The way this is stated it seems very condescending.

You could say, 'Rapture was so great that Cakewalk continued to honor the tradition of Rene' and leave it at that.

While I have issues with Rapture Pro, I will reserve them until I have had some time to investigate its depth.

It's not just a clone, it has some uniqueness all its own.., as well as the problems of being new.

KVR people seem so quick to condemn, I wonder how many of them ever tried to make some big project...

[jdnz]

Good point - so it's

/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Rapture Content/Multisamples/Galbanum Architecture/SFZ MultiSamples/Spectrum Instruments/Gaussian Spectrums/filename

vs

/Volumes/FreeAgent GoFlex Drive/Samples/Cakewalk/Rapture Pro/Multisamples/Galbanum Architecture/SFZ MultiSamples/Spectrum Instruments/Gaussian Spectrums/filename

does look a bit longer - however that doesn't explain why all the other files in the Galbanum Architecture folder (some also in nested subfolders) do load, just not the ones in the Gaussian Spectrums folder.

21 characters more (161 vs 140) - have a look at the filenames in the 'gaussian spectrums' folder, are the filenames themselves also rather long?

[beatdriver408]

<snip>
Installing 12 packs, and all of them have absolutely no indication of the name of the pack being installed, during setup process. When you're distracted by 2 kids while installing this pile of shit, you end up not knowing which one you installed a minute ago.

Same experience. Strike one.

Took quite some time, but finally managed to install them all. Started up the thing just to realize that sound is being 'chopped off' randomly. Had no idea what was going on, restarted Studio One multiple times, and only after 4th or 5th restart did this pile of steaming shit actually pop up a window to tell me that I should register/authorize by using that command center crap and that I am running in a demo mode. I really can't think of a reason why the application wouldn't tell me this immediately, but would let me waste time first. Good engineering there. I wasn't able to find a way to input serial directly into RP, so I installed CC.

Same experience. Strike 2.

And then it crashes Live pretty consistently. Ableton live 64 bit windows. Strike 3. *AVOID THIS SOFTWARE AT THIS TIME*

On the plus side it didn't delete my old Rapture presets and they were there, "yay"

[lotus2035]

Why this always needing more, more synth, more features, more control, more rubbish, more, more?

Unfortunately,that is the mindset that most people are caught up in

And the manufacturers are very happy to create the need and then supply to fulfill the demand...

Personally,I am working towards a simpler situation in all aspects of my life...

A more minimalist approach certainly has it's benefits...

Where less is more...The 80/20 principal...

Less synths, less features, less control, less rubbish, less, less

I agree that the less synths the better, this is why I bought Rapture Pro, so I can roll two synths (Dimension Pro, Rapture 1) into one.

[BBFG#]

The way this is stated it seems very condescending.
KVR people seem so quick to condemn, ...

TBF, most of this is not about the synth itself but of Cakewalk's approach. Which has been and continues to have 'issues'. I personally like Rapture, I'm sure I would've liked DimPro with better samples/designers. And I have been able to get them to work and work right without much help from CW Support (They haven't even answered every support request) . For me, it's come down to having to set aside the time to make it work after each update being worth that time. Fortunately, they have a method to the issues which has a pattern. And at least that doesn't change either.

Command Center does add a new wrinkle though.
And I was hoping in would make it all easier.
After reading through this thread, it seems to have made it worse.

[AROSSA [Cakewalk]]

lol , unbelievabale bug or it is supposed this way from cakewalk

if you log out in the command center in the settings page (not just close the command center) , and login again with your name and pass it showed the red lights again that you did not have installed Rapture Pro , i believe some temporairly files gets deleted on log off

simple question to the cakewalk guys which are reading this topic , why ?

I will look into this.

[Gosh]

okay, a few words about my installation experience on windows 7 64bit, i installed the program via the command center and the sample libraries via the downloaded packages from my cakewalk account. first problem i had was that i could not start the command center after installation. this was solved by starting the cc with administrator rights. in general, i would recommend to start cc with administrator rights. starting it without administrator rights (if possible at all) might be the cause why the authorization of the program, i.e. rapture pro, fails or is lost after closing cc. second problem i had was that, despite that the installer asked where i wanted to install the 64bit vst2 and i set the installation path to my plugin folder, the plugin was not installed into this directory but within a directory within the cakewalk folder. after finding the plugin within its dedicated folder i copied the folder with the rapture pro 64bit vst 2 dll inside to my plugin folder and everything was fine. so i conclude that the installation problems can be solved if you have some basic experience where your program folders and plugin folders are loccated. for an unexperienced user i`m afraid that the installation will not work.

[aMUSEd]

Good point - so it's

/Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Rapture Content/Multisamples/Galbanum Architecture/SFZ MultiSamples/Spectrum Instruments/Gaussian Spectrums/filename

vs

/Volumes/FreeAgent GoFlex Drive/Samples/Cakewalk/Rapture Pro/Multisamples/Galbanum Architecture/SFZ MultiSamples/Spectrum Instruments/Gaussian Spectrums/filename

does look a bit longer - however that doesn't explain why all the other files in the Galbanum Architecture folder (some also in nested subfolders) do load, just not the ones in the Gaussian Spectrums folder.

21 characters more (161 vs 140) - have a look at the filenames in the 'gaussian spectrums' folder, are the filenames themselves also rather long?

OK I tried moving the Gaussian Spectrums folder up several levels - what I find is that this enables the files to load (manually as it breaks the paths in the preset) but they still don't make a sound, whereas the exact same sfz files in the old Rapture folder do. This is maddening as I even copied some of the old sfzs into the Rapture Pro Gaussian Spectrums folder so I know these are the exact same sfz files but they do not make a sound if loaded from inside the Rapture Pro folder.

All of this made much harder by the fact that RP won't remember where I last browsed to!

[Tjivory]

Still no videos? Is it even not worth the effort to record?

[KingClarkie]

But the genius behind Rapture,Dimension Pro,Z3TA and many others was Rene Caballos - not anyone at Cakewalk...

Rapture and DimPro were developed at Cakewalk. Rene may have been lead developer but they weren't solely his creations.

Cakewalk are just trying to "continue the tradition" and cash in on his legacy...

He's not dead