FL Studio 12 Released!

[robotmonkey]

Seriously ... what's the problem?

The problem is that it does not work. As it was also asked by someone in Image-Line forums I will just copy from there:

I load PPG Wave. It has Pitch Bend wheel on the interface (corresponding to "Bend" parameter, and also to general midi Pitch Bend messages in other hosts) so it's fairly easy to map it to Pitch Bend on my hardware. Now I open a bank of sounds, some of them have different programmed bend ranges, sound 1 - -2 to 2, sound 2 - -5 to 5. If I switch between the sounds, no problem all works ok. I will open another synth, old Dimension Pro for example. It does not have Pitch Bend control on its interface nor does it have a parameter for Pitch Bend that I could map to because it responds to Pitch Bend messages following default general midi standard. So my only option is to use the FL Studio Pitch control on top of the window. Now I again open a bank of sounds, some of them have different programmed bend ranges, sound 1 - -2 to 2, sound 2 - -5 to 5. If I switch between the sounds the pitch changes only the amount specified in the control on top of the windows, completely ignoring the ranges programmed into individual sounds.

I just can't see why the hell can't they implement it in the standard way like in every other DAW... Or at least make it an option to send all the MIDI information directly to plugins because the current implmentation has other problems too.

[toine6]

I HATE the VST plugin organization, even with 12.02. I have 100's of VST's because I have been testing and collecting them since Model E (paid and free), so organizing VST's in a new way is not appealing whatsoever.

With all the BS I've read here so far, this is probably the most stupid.

The plugin organization is much better than before.
And the best thing is:
If you re-install FLStudio or update to a new version, it's easier than ever to bring over your whole library with all the cathegories and sub-cathegories.

To me it seems, a lot of people, totally did not understand, how the new system works.
Which is strange, as it is explained in a video and also pretty intuitive with the popup-tipps you get in FL, when you try to mess with it for the first time.

So could you please stop complaining about something, which is perfect?

I don't use or want "cathegories, and sub cathegories" smart guy.

Version 11. Install VSTi ---> right click step sequencer lane ---> select insert..more... refresh ---> check the newly scanned plugin. Done.

I'm not complaining about something that's perfect, I'm complaining about something that used to be fine, but has changed in a way that I don't like. I know how to get the VST I want in version 12, but I don't like the way in which I have to do that. It's great that it's perfect for you, but we obviously don't organize in the same way. I liked the way things used to work, and now it's broken. I absolutely don't use the browser, scan & verify, patcher or a lot of the newer stuff. I don't mind that it's there so long as I could still do the same things I always have, but now I can't. I just want the old standard piano, I don't want to have to learn to use the Roli Seaboard. I know, the Roli is perfect, it can do so much more, I should just buckle down and get used to it. But I'm not going to.

[tony tony chopper]

I load PPG Wave. It has Pitch Bend wheel on the interface (corresponding to "Bend" parameter, and also to general midi Pitch Bend messages in other hosts) so it's fairly easy to map it to Pitch Bend on my hardware. Now I open a bank of sounds, some of them have different programmed bend ranges, sound 1 - -2 to 2, sound 2 - -5 to 5. If I switch between the sounds, no problem all works ok. I will open another synth, old Dimension Pro for example. It does not have Pitch Bend control on its interface nor does it have a parameter for Pitch Bend that I could map to because it responds to Pitch Bend messages following default general midi standard. So my only option is to use the FL Studio Pitch control on top of the window. Now I again open a bank of sounds, some of them have different programmed bend ranges, sound 1 - -2 to 2, sound 2 - -5 to 5. If I switch between the sounds the pitch changes only the amount specified in the control on top of the windows, completely ignoring the ranges programmed into individual sounds.

yeah, blame ME for how shitty old MIDI works.

An FL plugin is told an accurate pitch deviation, that works, period.
A MIDI device? It's told "a pitch bend value" which it maps to its own *pitch bend range*.

So,
1. FL is dictating plugins a pitch bend range (pitch bend range RPN). But welcome to the world of MIDI, not many plugins even handle it. So FL tells the plugin to switch to a 12semitones PB range, it can't even know if the plugin handled it.
..but this can be disabled in the wrapper settings anyway, RTFM. When off, FL will assume that the plugin has a PB range of 2 semitones, and thus FL's first 2 semitones will map to 0..100% of the plugin's own PB range.

2. there is nothing to link, it's mapped out of the box, so no need to imagine a problem that doesn't exist.

Most of those who complain about "poor MIDI handling" don't know anything about MIDI, & should realize that it sucks because it's 30 years old and most VST's don't support most of what's generic.


And please tell me of a modern sequencer, that allows editing pitch bends *in absolute semitones* that works perfectly with that archaic PB range system?

[tony tony chopper]

evildragon had mentioned a couple ideas for adding multiple time signatures and Gol responded and seemed a bit interested. some sort of template thing was talked about. I am optimistic this will be looked at.. can't find the comments.. they are in one of the threads.

No way this will ever make into the FL Studio. Gol has said in Image-Line forums that 4/4 is in what all the music in the world has been and is made today too anyway so need for any other time signatures because it's not important part of composing music.

But don't forget to mention that your problem with time signatures is just that bar *labels* at the top of the playlist won't be the right ones, after a time sig change.
What happened to the world for something to be claimed "impossible" because a grid's labels get shifted? Not even beat ones, on top of it.

Non-4/4 music existed before sequencers - how was it done?
It's one thing to paint-by-number, but it's another to claim that something is impossible because the numbers are wrong. OMG I'm at bar 18 but the playlist says bar 15! - that's it, I can't keep working on my song now.
I was assuming that a musician's problems were *a little more* complex than that(?)

[robotmonkey]

@ tony tony chopper

You should think a bit before starting to blather about things you obviously lack understanding of.

First, you obviously do not even comprehend the problem at hand. Pitch Bend does not work out of the box in FL Studio. I have synth and a controller here in front of me. I open FL Studio and none of them work out of the box. I open Ableton, it works out of the box as it should. I open DP and it works as it should. I open FL Studio again and it does not work. The post I quoted is completely right.

And second, do you even have an idea how the multiple time signatures are supposed to work? It's not only about the grid (but that will suck too) but also the metronome and what beats are accentuated and so on. Please do educate yourself how every other DAW implements multiple time signatures (there's plenty of videos on YT) and then do try to convince anybody that FL Studios implementation is not problematic.

I'm sick and tired of FL Studio fanboys trying to excuse away problems elegantly solved by every other DAW in the market long time ago by coming up with awkward workarounds.

[Regnas]

@Image-Line:
Please add "insert effect" in the right click context menu of the mixer tracks, for a faster workflow...
See picture:



Cheers..........

[mispoes]

Hmm, I realized there is no perfect daw, but from all those inperfect daw's i love Fl the most...
maybe because i'm from Belgium too :p

But one real show stopper for me in Fl is that you can't record midi out from a plugin (for example an arp) record in the piano roll.
I know there are midi loop programs but those are not acurate, so that's a no...

Please image line, fix that

[EvilDragon]

Non-4/4 music existed before sequencers - how was it done?

With pen and paper, of course. And bar 18 meant bar 18 (NOT 15!), no matter how many time signature changes you had in those 18 bars!!

[tony tony chopper]

@ tony tony chopper

You should think a bit before starting to blather about things you obviously lack understanding of.

First, you obviously do not even comprehend the problem at hand. Pitch Bend does not work out of the box in FL Studio. I have synth and a controller here in front of me. I open FL Studio and none of them work out of the box

It should, and does.

If your controller is assigned to port "---", it will work, as it's what FL pre-maps it to.
If your controller is assigned to another port, it takes 10 sec to add a new link, or edit the default one to use that other port.

Yes, that also means you can do anything you want, like one keyboard's pitch bend mapped to pitch, and another keyboard's pitch bend mapped to any automatable parameter. OR PITCH IF YOU WANT.

Generally people complain about the "lack of modulation support", which is indeed not mapped by default (for the simple reason that FL's own plugins don't need that), but not pitch, as it works for everyone. Yet, both are not linked internally, it's all a matter of templates that you start with.

And second, do you even have an idea how the multiple time signatures are supposed to work? It's not only about the grid (but that will suck too) but also the metronome and what beats are accentuated and so on.

yeah, grid & metronome, both are "paint-by-number" assistance.
It's dead easy to make your own metronome as patterns, FL only provides one for convenience. Less convenient doesn't mean impossible.

Please do educate yourself how every other DAW implements multiple time signatures (there's plenty of videos on YT) and then do try to convince anybody that FL Studios implementation is not problematic.

wait, I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm saying it's a very minor problem that would require a major rewrite that's not worth it.
Would I do it in a new sequencer? absolutely!

..but that still doesn't explain your whining about something that you "can't do" because it's just slightly less convenient. There are people out there who make music without a sequencer or a metronome, and yet they manage to do 3/4 music. They must be wizards.

[Jace-BeOS]

Non-4/4 signatures aren't supported? Seriously? Modern music isn't all 4/4. Dance music might be, but that's not "all modern music".

Why would it require rewriting the entire program to support different time signatures?

[tony tony chopper]

Non-4/4 signatures aren't supported? Seriously? Modern music isn't all 4/4. Dance music might be, but that's not "all modern music".

Why would it require rewriting the entire program to support different time signatures?

plenty of people have written non-4/4 music in FL..
The denominator is fully supported & easy, the numerator is fully supported & easy, a change or numerator within the song ends up in misaligned bar #'s & metronome "stress" pitch - that's ALL.

[EvilDragon]

FL Studio supports working in a different time signature, but only one timesig for the whole project. You can't change it amidst.

The problem is not working in non-4/4, the problem is doing more progressive stuff that isn't fixated at one timesig for the whole project (sometimes both the numerator AND the denominator change, gol! )


The solution is not to rewrite the whole thing - the solution to have a master "ruler" track that would govern all tempo and timesig changes (and this would reflect in both the grid numbering AND metronome). And then, if you feel adventurous, you can set a different timesig for every pattern and have at some glorious polyrhythmics.

[tony tony chopper]

Non-4/4 music existed before sequencers - how was it done?

With pen and paper, of course. And bar 18 meant bar 18 (NOT 15!), no matter how many time signature changes you had in those 18 bars!!

so how were people following this? I'm not seeing #'s on every score sheet.

[EvilDragon]

There's no timesig changes in that example, so there's no real need for bar numbers!

[tony tony chopper]

FL Studio supports working in a different time signature, but only one timesig for the whole project. You can't change it amidst.

The problem is not working in non-4/4, the problem is doing more progressive stuff that isn't fixated at one timesig for the whole project (sometimes both the numerator AND the denominator change, gol! )

The solution is not to rewrite the whole thing - the solution to have a master "ruler" track that would govern all tempo and timesig changes (and this would reflect in both the grid numbering AND metronome). And then, if you feel adventurous, you can set a different timesig for every pattern and have at some glorious polyrhythmics.

Isn't changing the denumerator the same as changing the snap?

But anyway, there are already 2 existing solutions
1. using song jump markers. So that, at beat 3 of a 3/4 part, you jump to beat 4. A bit like how trackers were doing it. There your bar #'s are still correct, and you have some "holes" in your song.

2. your own bar #'s, as markers

What will be worked on is a way to hide FL's own bar #'s, so that 2. works better, along with a "snap to bar markers", so that you can place your clips more easily when the song is all zoomed out. But really, it totally is paint-by-numbers assistance.

There's no timesig changes in that example, so there's no real need for bar numbers!

cool, so that new "hide bar #'s" feature will benefit to other users as well